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Creative Writing & What's in a Comma

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Wrdwizard
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Creative Writing & What's in a Comma
Wrdwizard Posted: Tue, Dec 6 2011 1:20 PM Reply

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It’s a little squiggle, a dot with a tail, a tadpole in the realm of punctuation marks, and as a writer, its usage can sometimes provoke controversy.

In the above statement I have placed a comma before and. And placing a comma before or after and is enough to send some pedantic grammarians into a hysterical fit of outrage. It can also earn a red mark from some copy editor’s pen, but this depends on the opinion of the copy editor because some don’t mind.

This is because and is a conjunction (and) serves to link two participle phrases in a sentence. Adding a comma breaks that link, or does it.

This is where I would argue and, in the process, hope to avoid being labelled as a pedantic grammarian for writing this article.

Creative writing is an art form serving the same purpose as an artist painting a picture. The only difference is the medium in which the concept, whether real or imaginary, is displayed using words instead of pigments and colours. As with painting, there are principles for the artist to follow, but those that become famous and are praised for their radical and original use of colour, are the ones that bend and sometimes break the rules.

I don’t like rules of grammar, but I’ll fight through hell and high water for the principles of grammar. In court, a crafty solicitor can use the letter, or rule of the law to excuse the guilty, thus defeating the principle for which that law was created. Jesus Christ taught with parables urging his followers to ignore the rules and laws of Judaism, but instead apply the principle on which those laws were based. No intention to get all religious about this subject intended.

But I believe that the creative writer needs to understand that those who make rules and pass laws always think they know best. They love passing rules and laws following the rule that the more rules there are the more they can enforce. These rules evolve and expand often becoming disconnected from their original purpose leading to the creation of further rules defining the purpose of those made before. Thus some editors will throw an apoplectic fit and daub your manuscript with red pen marks simply because you dared to place a comma after and.

Consider that in every document personally signed by William Shakespeare, he spells his name differently. An examination of contemporary documents increases the number of variations to the spelling of his name, – Shakspere, Shaksper, Shaxpere to give just a few. This didn’t do Shakespeare any harm, but I won’t go so far as to deny the value of correct spelling!

The point is that just as in all other forms of art, the use of language is an evolving process. Whether you agree with modern or conceptual art in their various forms, they cannot be denied as a valid form of expression.

Creative writing has therefore to be just that, creative, even conceptual, pushing the boundaries of rules and laws that only serve to enforce boundaries. The principle in writing anything is to enable the reader to understand the message the writer wishes to convey. It matters not whether this is totally fictional and imaginary or whether containing some fact of knowledge. If the reader cannot understand the message then there is no point in it being written.

The question to be asked is whether putting a comma after and, or any deviation from grammatical norm, increases or decreases the creative writer’s ability to get their message across.

As for the comma, it and that of all early punctuation, is linked to the spoken word. For example, an apostrophe is used to indicate possession, or as in the following, to indicate a missing letter. It’s a simple principle and here it stands in for the missing i from it is. But it could be argued that it indicates possession, something belonging to It. Or could it? You work it out. There are whole books written to argue over the rules surrounding this subject, but what is the principle?

Within the rules of grammar, a comma can be used to indicate a pause where, in dialogue, a breath would be taken, or a pause to allow the listener/reader that finite moment of thinking time before continuing. Therefore, if the writer using dialogue wants to indicate that their character pauses for breath before or after speaking the word and, the use of a comma is perfectly valid.  Alternatively, if the writer wants to force the reader to pause for a momentary thought before continuing, then the use of a comma after the word and is also perfectly valid.

The use of a comma next to and is also justified when applied to bracket a weak interruptive element to a sentence. Note the first sentence in this article:

It’s a little squiggle, a dot with a tail, a tadpole in the realm of punctuation marks, and as a writer, its usage can sometimes provoke controversy.

The phrase, and as a writer, could be omitted without loosing any meaning.

It’s a little squiggle, a dot with a tail, a tadpole in the realm of punctuation marks and its usage can sometimes provoke controversy.

Of course, if I’d put the comma where it should be, after and, thus limiting the weak element to the words, as a writer, a colon would be required after writer instead of a comma. But that is another story.

This is the fun of creative writing. Punctuation serves a purpose, but it should be the purpose that the writer wants it to serve. That purpose is to enable the writer to tell a story that the reader can understand in the context that the writer desires it to be understood. 

 
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mother's happy child
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Re: Creative Writing & What's in a Comma
mother's happy child replied on Tue, Dec 6 2011 7:30 PM Reply

. . . . and, another thing - I just hate it when I'm reading the newspaper and I read something that really should have a comma - and, there isn't one.  It often leads me to believe that no one is editing the editor.

Thanks for your wizard words!

Mother's Happy Child

 
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Sinibaldi
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In the wind.
Sinibaldi replied on Wed, Dec 7 2011 11:11 AM Reply

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NewtonSaber
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Re: Creative Writing & What's in a Comma
NewtonSaber replied on Thu, Dec 15 2011 11:04 PM Reply

In the beginning, there was no punctuation.   Actually, there weren't even spaces between words.  Written works were used to guide orators.

Then, someone decided, "Hey, it'd be nice if I put em-phasis on my syl-obbles when I'm speaking."  It was probably Demosthenes since he's the foremost orator.  Anyway, someone said, "Hey a full stop will be a dot (period) and a half stop could be a squiggly thing (comma)."  They also noticed it'd be a lot easier to read if there were spaces, so some dude invented white-space.

 I think it was all created by the paper-making lobby, because it forces your stories to take up more space thus using more paper, thus making the paper-makers richer.  :-)

I guess the point of my ramblings are to agree with the original post: punctuation serves a purpose to help convey meaning to the reader in the simplest way.   Anything more is grumpy grammarian stuff and anything less makes it difficult to read.

Keep on learning, keep on writing,

Newton Saber

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James A. Ritchie
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RE:Creative Writing & What's in a Comma
James A. Ritchie replied on Sat, Dec 17 2011 2:20 PM Reply

I agree, for the most part.  The problem lies with "those who make rules".  There's a huge misunderstanding about who makes the rules.  Grammarians do not, English teachers do not, and learned professors with more degrees than a thermometer do not.

Rules are made by the reading public at large.  They don't consciously pen rules to paper, and submit them hither and yon in hopes of winning some contest, but they make them, nevertheless.

Rules are made over time not by what this person or that person believes is right, but by what works best for the reading public as a whole.  This is decided primarily by what the reading public loves, hates, and parts with beer money to buy.  Just as the public changes language through slang that becomes part of the common lexicon, just as hyphenated words lose their hyphens because it's easier to write them without, and just as writing style itself changes because of what the public likes and dislikes, punctuation, too, changes according to the public's need for clarity, understanding, and ease of use.

The public decides, they tell the grammarians, the grammarians set it as a rule, and such it stays until the public finds a way of punctuation that works better, and is easier to use.  The grammarians eventually adjust accordingly.

There's certainly a time and a place for creative use of punctuation, just as there's a time and  a place for the creative use of language, unconventional though both may be.

But it's good to understand that no writer gets to judge the worth of his usage.  Nor are grammarians allowed to judge its worth.  The public, however, will judge, and the public's decision is always final.

 
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Wrdwizard
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RE:Creative Writing & What's in a Comma
Wrdwizard replied on Tue, Dec 20 2011 4:37 AM Reply

In other words, the spoken word evolves as does the written word to follow. We do not speak or use the grammar of Henry VIII or King Richard. As example, this from the croncile of Leyland:

The northwest tower of the Castell is covered with leade, and 7 brass pieces were placed yppon the inner castells. This yere likewise were the platforms at have tymbred, the gate at locksyde wch is to be shutte everye neight was newe made,....

The creative use of punctuation is required if writing creatively and writing is creative by nature and you are perfectly correct, the public is the final arbiter and so should they be.

 
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DennisB
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RE:Creative Writing & What's in a Comma
DennisB replied on Thu, Feb 16 2012 4:32 PM Reply

Suppose you read the following: "after conferring with the president Joe Biden flew...."

Well, we all know old Joe isn't yet the president, and we know who IS.... but what if it's the head of some charity? "after conferring with the president Sally Jenkins drove...."

Commas lend clarity. They separate phrases that should be separated.

 

 

 

 
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