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   01-03-2008, 10:10 AM
rixxie

Joined on 12-17-2007
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How can you punch up, descriptions of cities you've never been to, or that are fictional?
     How can you make scences more realistic, without overdoing it, or sounding as if you just read it. You've never been to these places what brings them to life?
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   01-03-2008, 3:28 PM
fastkilr

Joined on 01-24-2006
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Re: How can you punch up, descriptions of cities you've never been to, or that are fictional?
 If you can't describe what you're writing about, then perhaps it's not worth writing, in the first place. Had the same problem plenty of times. Write what you know early and often, it'll become second nature for you in time. For now, flesh out some detailed enviorments you are sure about and consider what makes them interesting. Apply this to whatever story is in question.
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   01-04-2008, 8:44 AM
Firebrand

Joined on 03-14-2006
Canada
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Re: How can you punch up, descriptions of cities you've never been to, or that are fictional?

Internet reasearch can help with finding out the details that will make a city seem real.  Some blogs and articles will describe little but important details like the smell of the streets in the morning, the dew shining in the lazy sunlight, the crunch of snow under your boots as winter slaps you first thing in the morning.

It depends on how much detail you want to go into, of course, but look at pictures, read travel books, read some blogs, and let all those details feed into a textured experience riddled with tastes, sounds and smells, all described through your point of view character's unique worldview.

Will you get to tell your reader everything about the city if you haven't been there?  No, but you're not writing a travel book anyways, so just give them enough to make it real. 

 

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   01-05-2008, 12:15 PM
RecoveringWriter

Joined on 01-03-2008
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Re: How can you punch up, descriptions of cities you've never been to, or that are fictional?

 

I have to agree with Fastkilr on this one.  "Write what you know." 

The descriptions you did offer ("the dew shining in the lazy sunlight, the crunch of snow under your boots as winter slaps you first thing in the morning") are not location-specific.  They could describe any city, weather permitting.  It's best to stick with that type of description than to cobble together a description of a city from the Internet! 

Surely you've done some traveling... Describe only those cities with which you are familiar.  And if you've never visited any of the world's great metropolises... it's time to pack a suitcase and do some field research!  Readers can always tell whether or not the writer has ever left his parents' basement ;) -- or not gone farther afield than her favourite out-of-state outlet mall  :P

Bon voyage,

RW

P.S.  I won't bother to directly answer the other part of the question "How can you 'punch up' descriptions of cities that are fictional?"  --  That's like asking us to tell you how to write, period.  All I can say is that, in a work of fiction, a city is a character as important as any other.  Check out "Cities on the Edge of Time" by Vivian Sobchack.  Her piece deals with sci-fi films, mainly, but we all know that good cinema has to have good writing. ;-)

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   01-05-2008, 5:29 PM
Firebrand

Joined on 03-14-2006
Canada
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Re: How can you punch up, descriptions of cities you've never been to, or that are fictional?
To each their own, of course, but don't limit yourself to writing only what you know.  The world of books would be quite a boring one if authors never ventured to describe anything beyond their personal experiences.
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   01-09-2008, 9:55 AM
ScottR

Joined on 01-09-2008
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Re: How can you punch up, descriptions of cities you've never been to, or that are fictional?

When writing about Iceland, I used a variety of techniques. I wrote mostly about landscape, but the same things would work for cities.

First, I read a lot about the place: history, culture, literature (classical and modern), anything to give me a feel for the area. Next, I looked at a lot of pictures. Descriptions based on pictures are filtered through what I learned while reading, so the culture influences the descriptions.

Then, I did something that some people might not think about. I contaced a professional photographer who has worked extensively there, but is not native. Not being native helps a person see things that natives are used to and don't necessarily see. I asked about the light at different times and seasons, textures of stone, anything I could think of (and much more than I needed) that a photographer might look at differently than a tourist or native. Interviewing a painter would probably work just as well, or maybe even better.

I also had a native check my descriptions to make sure they felt authentic. This helped me find errors in my descriptions of weather and some other problems, and helped validate that other things were correct. 

The important thing is getting a sense of the place. You don't have to describe anything exactly, but you have to make it feel real. As with all research, you'll probably only use a little of what you learn, but that little will be informed by the rest of the stuff you don't use, so you can make a little detail do a lot of work.

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   01-09-2008, 10:52 AM
Clio

Joined on 03-02-2007
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Re: How can you punch up, descriptions of cities you've never been to, or that are fictional?

This is one time when those dreaded slide shows of someone's vacation comes in handy.  Ask your neighbours or friends to show and tell about their holidays, business trips, family re-unions in the place you want to describe.  Or ask an immigrant from that place.  Asking someone who visited the place you want to describe about their experiences there is also useful.

In addition to all the on-line, tourist brochures etc, this gives a very personal look at your target place.

Clio  

 

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   01-09-2008, 12:21 PM
redpop2

Joined on 11-22-2004
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Re: How can you punch up, descriptions of cities you've never been to, or that are fictional?

For real cities, you research.  Write to or call the local Chamber of Commerce and get all their information for the area.  Request national real estate brochures for the area.  Review them, and look up schools, businesses; you'll get the flavor.  Look for movies set in that city.  Look up websites for anything in that city to get snapshots of various businesses for style; look up travel blogs for mention of the city and impressions.  Get the local newspaper and review the police blogger, the births and deaths, the local news items.  Once you have an image in your mind's eye about what it looks like and what it IS, really, like, it's easy to add descriptives to your narratives.  For imaginary cities, do the same with a city of the same size in the (roughly) same area, e.g., if your story is set in the South near Charleston, go with Charleston's issues and local flavor.  If it's fiction, better map out what you do put in your story so you don't make mistakes with what is where, and so on.  Best wishes, Barbara

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   01-09-2008, 6:44 PM
cdclark

Joined on 01-10-2008
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Re: How can you punch up, descriptions of cities you've never been to, or that are fictional?
 Firebrand wrote:

Internet reasearch can help with finding out the details that will make a city seem real.  Some blogs and articles will describe little but important details like the smell of the streets in the morning, the dew shining in the lazy sunlight, the crunch of snow under your boots as winter slaps you first thing in the morning.

It depends on how much detail you want to go into, of course, but look at pictures, read travel books, read some blogs, and let all those details feed into a textured experience riddled with tastes, sounds and smells, all described through your point of view character's unique worldview.

Will you get to tell your reader everything about the city if you haven't been there?  No, but you're not writing a travel book anyways, so just give them enough to make it real. 

 

I have to agree with you Firebrand, and another helpful thing is maybe with people in these writer's forums somebody may be able to help you out with certian things such as where a hotdog vendor may be selling hotdogs on such and such street. Yet, we writers are suppose to have active imaginations, and as Firebrand mentioned, unless you are writing a travel article, or about a city specifically, small details put in here and there should be all you needSmile [:)]
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   01-09-2008, 8:44 PM
Lady Jan

Joined on 10-09-2005
California
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Re: How can you punch up, descriptions of cities you've never been to, or that are fictional?

With my book length manuscript Twinheart, I was writing about a town I had visited only once as a child the town of Lancaster and Palmdale.

My mom remembered it she lived near there as age fourteen in Littlerock, and I asked her a lot of question like was it really cold in winter, because my story started in the fall of the year. I also did a lot of research on the internet, and down loaded pictures taken by amature and professionals a like, and read what people wrote about there home town on the housing blogs. I also bought books on the deserts of Southern California and a city map of Lancaster and Palmdale so I could describe the streets. I also checked the weather maps, and such so I could describe the weather too.


Lady Jan
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   01-14-2008, 1:58 PM
amber_grosjean


Joined on 04-13-2004
Muncie, Indiana
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Re: How can you punch up, descriptions of cities you've never been to, or that are fictional?

Movies are also a form of research. If you know the city that's located in the movie, pay attention to the details in the scenery, the actual scenery and not the props. Look at the buildings, the streets, things that can't be copied in a studio. You couldn't smell what you see so your imagination would be required for this type of research but it does give you an idea.

For instance, New York is filled with population so you're going to see people walking down the sidewalk in busy crowds, hearing pieces of conversations as they pass you. You're going to smell a mixture of their fragrences plus the distinct smell of fumes, hotdogs, and more depending on where you are in the city.

Now, you can also take this information and go with the opposite. A small town isn't going to have busy podestrians walking down the paved sidewalk with no cares in this world. There may be one or two but not thousands. A person could hear birds chirping instead of pieces of broken conversations and cars honking at each other. The buildings are going to be smaller, maybe older looking. Streets will be smaller and less busy, there may not even be traffic lights.

I'm from a small town and moved to a bigger city so I have used that information in my writing plus I do watch a lot of movies. I am in constant research, absorbing all I take in for books I could write five years from now. I love it.

Amber


Amber Rigby Grosjean
Author of Cursed Blood
Author of Stolen Identity
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   03-28-2008, 10:55 AM
herooftime8


Joined on 03-26-2008
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Re: How can you punch up, descriptions of cities you've never been to, or that are fictional?

I can't really say anything about writing about real cities one has never visitied that hasn't been said.

Ficticious cities, however, are up to the writer as to how to design them, and, therefore, require more work.  You have to make sure when you put a coffeeshop on the corner of 5th and Pine in Chapter 1, that same coffeeshop can't be at 6th and Elm.

What some writers, including Orson Scott Card, have done is draw maps of the city and refer to the map as they write their story.  And, in drawing a map, you might learn more about the city and your story. What kind of controversy did the Interstate running by your city cause locally or statewide?  Did you close off an entrance to a fantasy story's city?  Why? 

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   04-05-2008, 8:27 PM
Blackdog

Joined on 08-21-2005
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Re: How can you punch up, descriptions of cities you've never been to, or that are fictional?
You don't have to limit yourself to characters you know or stories you know. That's where the creativity comes in. And you can invent locations, especially in sci-fi and fantasy, but I would suggest never, ever, writing about a real location you've never been to. First off, the people who do know it will see right through it and consider you a fraud especially if it's a well-known city like NY or LA. Most important, why would you choose a location you don't know? If you're thinking that's the right city for your story, I'd have to ask, how could you possibly know that if you haven't spent time there. Location is the element that grounds your story. It provides the element that can make it real to writers. Either set your story in a place you know well or make it anywhere USA. Writers often underestimate what they can find in their own back yard.

Nannette Croce
zine writer
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   04-10-2008, 9:17 AM
inmyprime

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   04-10-2008, 7:30 PM
Blackdog

Joined on 08-21-2005
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Re: How can you punch up, descriptions of cities you've never been to, or that are fictional?
I'd go with the road trip. Barring that, if it's a place you did know once and you forgot some details, could you look at photos that might bring back memories? Or maybe you could find archived newspapers online that would help you out. If you want to set the ending of your novel in the city as it is today, you'd better visit. Forty years is a long time, not just the landscape but the culture can change dramatically in that amount of time.

Nannette Croce
zine writer
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   04-17-2008, 10:25 AM
Craven

Joined on 03-26-2008
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Re: How can you punch up, descriptions of cities you've never been to, or that are fictional?
There are two common reasons for setting a story in a city where you've never been: one is because you think where you are isn't very interesting or exotic, the other is that the exotic location is vital to the story. If your problem is the first, then you are wrong. Any place you know well is interesting. The quirks of your town, it's politics (conservative, everybody knows everybody's business), economy (agricultural? fishing town?), climate (hard winters and bad storms) influence how people behave and determine what is normal, and better, what is not. Remember that one of this country's most successful writers sets many of his stories in Castle Rock, Maine. The other reason for an exotic location is valid. Dan Brown's Da Vinci Code had to be set in Paris, and London. The locations were actually key to the story. If that's the case with your story, you have received good advice from the others. Also remember you are a writer now. You can fly to these places to do research and write it off as a business expense.
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   08-24-2009, 10:55 AM
Typewrong

Joined on 08-14-2009
Clermont, Florida
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Re: How can you punch up, descriptions of cities you've never been to, or that are fictional?

Perhaps by now you've discovered Google Earth (Googleearth.com) which offers air - and now ground level - views of virtually any place on earth.  The program gives '3D' views of any place on the planet from thousands of miles out - to  hundreds of feet up - to ground level - and anything in between.  Your choice.  And it's free.  The latest innovation is an (almost) ground level view of any building or object you wish.  While it's certainly not being there - it's pretty close.  Also, you can check out everything, not just the limited area you'ld have access to if you were actually visiting.  And, oh yes - one more thing: it's a heck of a lot of fun!

 

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