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Started by Writer's Edge at 01-23-2007 5:58 PM. Topic has 8 replies.
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   01-23-2007, 5:58 PM
Writer's Edge


Joined on 12-31-2006
San Diego
Posts 20
Silver Platter Babies

Sometimes people come to these forums with a hidden agenda longer than an Orangutan's reach.  One question leads to another.  Or they take the first step, then follow-up with a gazillion requests for "help".  The term "entitlement" soon comes to my mind.  They want someone to teach them how to become successful writers -- for free.

It's a job, folks, an occupation, just like construction or surgery.  Try to get free instruction from the bulding trades or D.I.Y. appendectomy lessons from your doctor! 

Plenty of books, magazines, courses, classes, conferences, seminars, etc. exist for you to take advantage of.  Of course they cost -- it's a career, remember?  No free lunch.  Oh, I take it back, if you become a small town newspaper reporter, you might ride the rubber chicken circuit and get plenty of free lunches that way.

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   01-25-2007, 12:41 PM
kday01

Joined on 11-21-2005
Jacksonville, FL 32223
Posts 60
Re: Silver Platter Babies

I just have to say I love the phrase "longer than an Orangutan's reach."

Fine figurative there.

I do think some people ask lots of questions when they're sort of at the hopeful writer point, maybe testing the waters.

I get a lot of email from aspiring writers, and I suggest they go to the many author events bookstores and other venues hold. I do at least one of these a month, and it's a great way for people to pick my brain at a time convenient to me.

I believe one of the top qualities any writer must have is curiosity. I learned so much by trial and error, often charging ahead in the interest of getting ahead. In the early years, a good portion of what I earned went directly to learning more. I still refer to books on writing that have been part of my personal shelf for years. I  keep subscriptions to magazines like The Writer as well as to publications I like to write for, like Christian Science Monitor.

You're right: this is a business. We provide content for a fee. It's a mindset that can be important to anyone starting out.

Best to you, Kay Day

And I still learn something new almost every single day.

 


Best regards, Kay Day
www.kayday.com
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   02-03-2007, 1:57 PM
Blackdog

Joined on 08-21-2005
Posts 133
Re: Silver Platter Babies
If these forums are not for people to ask questions, then what are they for? As I see it no one is required to give free advice. To be honest, over the years I've visited these forums on and off, I've seen more advice than questions. People love to jump in, even when they really don't know what they are talking about. If the forums are here only to make contacts during writing breaks, why are there so many different boards to choose from? Why not just have a chat board and leave it at that?

Nannette Croce
zine writer
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   02-03-2007, 4:01 PM
Writer's Edge


Joined on 12-31-2006
San Diego
Posts 20
Re: Silver Platter Babies

No, no, Nanette,

You missed the point.  And I did not say, or even imply, that forums are only for making contacts and chatting.  I object to the attitude of those who feel they are entitled to a free education that will lead to fame and fortune (or whatever glamour they imagine being a Writer will produce). The ones who won't spend the money to buy The Writer's Handbook or a subscription to the magazine or the energy to Google something.

Similarly, I'm tired of the ire of those who blow up if they don't get the response they wanted to hear or refuse to accept the hard truths about getting published, especially trying to get a novel into an agent's hands or a publishing house.

I'm going to try to remember to refer the latter to Paul Genesse's great piece at:

http://paulgenesse.blogspot.com/2007/02/how-do-i-get-published.html

 

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   02-11-2007, 11:32 AM
Jamesritchie

Joined on 08-23-2005
Posts 94
Re: Silver Platter Babies

Good link, but he's wrong about your chances going up many fold because you know editors or writer.  It just doesn't work this way, at least for fiction.  Knowing someone can, in fact, make it tougher to get published because the standards go up in order to avoid the charge of favoritism.

 

All knowing someone ever does is get your manuscript read a little bit faster.   

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   02-11-2007, 2:02 PM
Writer's Edge


Joined on 12-31-2006
San Diego
Posts 20
Re: Silver Platter Babies

Good link, but he's wrong about your chances going up many fold because you know editors or writer.  It just doesn't work this way, at least for fiction.  Knowing someone can, in fact, make it tougher to get published because the standards go up in order to avoid the charge of favoritism.

All knowing someone ever does is get your manuscript read a little bit faster.  

I don't think Gennesse means "know" in the sense that you have written about this topic on other forums.  He doesn't mean become friends as much as meeting them, as in "networking".  That's why we advise newbies to attend conference, isn't it?  To meet agents and editors?  This is a good business practice, and writing is a business (or else it's someone's hobby.)

 And since when is getting your ms read faster a bad thing?

When you've already met someone in the biz, and they know from personal experience that you are not a nut, are dedicated to your craft, and are willing to invest money, time and energy in your project; they are more willing to give you a chance.  When they've had the opportunity to read some of your work already, and it is good writing, they may remember you and call on you when they have a need they think you might fill.  This is exactly what happened to Gennesse.

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   06-25-2008, 10:30 PM
Along the Writing Trail

Joined on 06-26-2008
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Re: Silver Platter Babies

While I agree to a point, I remember a time when I anxiously waited for that first byline.  Of course I asked others how they got there.   I did get a lot of advice from professionals and college professors.  Not all was accurate of course.  So I think if a young newbie asks me questions, I'm inclined to give them a boost!  Heck, I might even give them a story idea about something out of my area of interest.  There's plenty of stories out there. 

Now if they steal my work, like I discovered on a web page recently (that may be for another post), then we'll have an issue or two.

 Just remember, we were all starting out at one point and most of us would like tips on career advancement.  And I don't think that answers to our questions on a forum will answer them as indepth as a paid course.  

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   09-11-2008, 1:57 PM
flashgordon

Joined on 11-19-2007
Posts 131
Re: Silver Platter Babies
Yep, you see this a lot on other forums, not so much here on this one. For many writing and publishing is a mystery and they are looking for answers. Others come to forums looking for someone to hold their hand through the entire process. I guess it is up to each of us to decide whether we help them out, ignore the post, or just move on. I try and help when I can, but if they keep coming back for more and more, I eventually stop answering their questions.
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   01-17-2009, 7:22 PM
writeroffthelake

Joined on 01-18-2009
Posts 4
Re: Silver Platter Babies
When I started writing back in 1976, it was really easy to get published for pay.  I sold 3 short stories (for pay) in my first 3 weeks...then didn't have another sale for 8 months, but after that it was fairly steady.  I was 24 and had been reading The Writer, Writer's Digest, and various books on fiction writing, since I was 6.  In one of Phylis Whitney's books she said it took her 8 years to publish.  I figured if it took her 8 years, it would take me at least a dozen, so I was shocked when I sold those first 3 short stories so quickly.  I often hear from beginners who've never read a book on writing - don't even realize they exist - have never heard of The Writer, Writer's Digest, or other helpful books and magazines, and are confused when I try to explain viewpoint, conflict, characterization, etc.  There's a learning curve to writing as there is to everything else.  Most of us didn't just sit on our first two-wheelers and happily pedal down the street without training wheels (and probably a few falls) first.  Nothing wrong in asking questions, but it IS important to make sure that you read widely in the craft of writing so you'll know what questions to ask and be able to understand the answers.

www.writeroffthelake.com
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