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Started by Scribbly at 08-16-2005 9:24 PM. Topic has 5 replies.
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   08-16-2005, 9:24 PM
Scribbly

Joined on 07-29-2005
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Fantasy in all its glorious sub-categories
I wanted to say, first off, how much I like the new forum setup, and all the new market and agent (and so on!) listings.  Obviously a lot of work went into this; it shows, and was worth every erg, nonce, and drop Smile [:)].  Thank you.

I've been writing Fantasy fiction for about ten years, give or take, and I love it.  I think that it lends itself to humor and is a very flexible medium--such variety! and that's what this post is questioning.  I write what I think of as Urban Fantasy--Fantasy that is set in our "real" world, but giving it a cant, if you know what I mean.  Is that accurate?  Or is that no longer what it's called; I've never seen much of a concensus, and figured you all would know.

How about High Fantasy, Medeaval Fantasy, Dark Fantasy, Magic Realism, and on and on?  What do you like, how do you think of it or describe it?  And does the meaning change between what you think of it and what you tell others?  Me, I tell people that I write Urban Fantasy.  I figure that's enough info, describes closely enough what I mean, and often starts interesting conversations  Non-writers have no idea.  What I really think of it, though, is Fantasy with a kick (how's that for a subcategory?!), but it's too difficult to describe to outsiders.  It's funny, kicky, a little off the wall.  Urban Fantasy, to me, sounds, well, stuffy and homespun, you know?  Sidewalks and city buildings, while I think of Fantasy is a very fluid medium.

I figure, when you get right down to it, it really doesn't matter what it's called, as long as we keep writing, but it's fun to think about.  best to all!

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   08-18-2005, 9:29 AM
lilypad

Joined on 12-05-2003
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Re: Fantasy in all its glorious sub-categories

I would say that fantasy encompasses everything fantastic that cannot fit in other fiction.  It's a nice name for the gray areas, where suspension-of-belief in general fiction ends.  I like it because it brings that other emotion, Wonder, so vividly and wonderfully into being.  It has no boundaries, which is what is so wonderful and horrible about it.  The writer may fly, and then again become lost, because there are no stop signs.

I think this thread will be discussed in Platonic terms.

I've read somewhere that High Fantasy involves unrealistic white soaring towers, etc--which the very worst will usually have, and a couple dozen dragons, and too many capital letters--but I've also read them at their best.  High Fantasy is perhaps the brightest (is that a good word?) of the categories, slightly more light-hearted.  A foray into dreams?

Medieval Fantasy is almost exactly opposite.  The world is painted in varying shades of muck and gray, which can become powerful in contrast to the fantastic element.  The tendency is to remain in the muck, however.

Dark Fantasy is the foray into nightmares.  I am terrified of nightmares; I tend to avoid these.  I went through the Year's Best looking for the stories without the initials E.D.

Tithe and de Lint are Urban Fantasy.  That category's never really struck me as stuffy; but then, I don't live in a city; what would I know?

Is this what you like?

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   08-18-2005, 5:44 PM
Scribbly

Joined on 07-29-2005
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Re: Fantasy in all its glorious sub-categories
Hi, Lily (and all),

Thank you, and your take on things makes good sense. 

My favorite fantasy of all is anything humerous, such as Terry Pratchett.  I think he could be a genre all his own, as wonderful as he is.  I agree so much about Wonder in Fantasy--not necessarily 'awe' in wonder, but just that feel or that sense of wonder. 

I think I like SF stories that border on Fantasy.  Zenna Henderson, for example M.Z. Bradley, who wrote some stories that were  SF at the beginning and the end, but then were mostly fantasy.  Connie Willis's stories strike me as Fantasy, though I know they are SF.  She gets into chaos theory and sociology and time travel, but her stories have that same feel for me that Fantasy does. 

What do you like to write and/or read?  I have to say that I am not very well up on my own genre.  Between school (I'm a college student who is about the same age as most of the teachers), work, and family, I've had to limit reading to old favorites.  Stuff I can put down because I know the story, or I'll get caught staying up all night, reading.  I have one more semester, though, so I'd like suggestions.

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   08-19-2005, 9:16 AM
lilypad

Joined on 12-05-2003
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Re: Fantasy in all its glorious sub-categories

Ooooh!  I read Pratchett!  He belongs in the "Pratchett" category, I agree, along with all the other Pratchetts who've popped up in his wake.
     If you expanded Fantasy to include science fiction that is not technically science fiction, you could put D.Adams in the "Pratchett" category and rename the category "Pratchett-Adams."

     For sheer gorgeousness, there's Patricia A. McKillip and Pamela Dean.  McKillip's earlier works are, compared to what she's written these past ten years, poor stuff.  Her Riddlemaster trilogy borrows heavily from Tolkien, which is possibly the only reason I respect Tolkien.  I've only read Dean's Rosemary, Juniper, and Gentian and Tam Lin, but both are spectacular.  The only detriment is a short, unsatisfying ending, which I overlook for the sake of the rest of the book.  It's a strange philosophy.

     I read all fantasy--but only finish the good books--and historical fic, and (mostly historical) mystery, and short stories, and poetry.  Right now, Chaucer and Plato.

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   08-01-2006, 6:36 PM
the youngster

Joined on 08-02-2006
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Re: Fantasy in all its glorious sub-categories
I began writing fantasy about three years ago with a few friends of mine. (I am only seventeen and started writing my freshman year of high school) We started a fantasy writers group with three people, including me, which we just recently began calling the Warrior Poets. Well I have noticed that each person specializes in different elements of fantasy. We critque each others work and give suggestions as to what direction we think the novels are going. Anyways, Most of my fantasy novels (none of which are finished by the way) are versions of mideaval or even dark fantasy.

I love reading Mercedes Lackey, Robert Jordan, J.R.R. Tolkien, L. E. Modesitt, Jr., and many others. I was wondering if you could give me writing tips and some suggested authors to read so I can get a full experience that encompasses the entire realm known as the fantasy genre.
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   08-11-2008, 11:00 PM
MonicaW

Joined on 07-11-2008
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Re: Fantasy in all its glorious sub-categories
Ursula K. Le Guin is an amazing author.  Her Earthsea trilogy is a must read for fantasy fans, especially if you like Tolkien.
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