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Freelancing as a business
Started by copywise at 05-20-2005 12:31 PM. Topic has 7 replies.
 
 
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05-20-2005, 12:31 PM
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copywise
Joined on 04-05-2005
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sole proprietor vs. LLC
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I'm an editor/copywriter and have started as sole proprietor (doing business under assumed name). But I wonder, would it be better to have set up as a limited liability company? I know you get no tax shelters that way, but it does give you legal shelter. Set up fees are a little more costly, but is that the only drawback?
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05-20-2005, 2:38 PM
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GulKerr
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RE: sole proprietor vs. LLC
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I am working on starting a Night Club, any my wife is working on a basket business, both of us have separate interests, but we found that placing both companys under a single LLC will add us some extra legal security. There are tax breaks for LLC as well. You should get intouch with your local SCORE office, or Small Business Admin. They are free, and work their butts off to help you set up. LLC usually range for $50 to $150.
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05-20-2005, 4:47 PM
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zoomia
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RE: sole proprietor vs. LLC
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Hi, I'm a freelance writer too, and I just operate under a sole proprietership. As long as you're not subcontracting work, you should be fine under an sp. I think it mainly comes down to peace of mind when it's just you. Chances of anyone coming after you are slim to nil.
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05-31-2005, 3:38 PM
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copywise
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RE: sole proprietor vs. LLC
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GulKerr, didn't know you could have such different services under the same LLC. Do you use the same business name for the baskets and for the night club? How does that work?
zoomia, why would subcontracting make a difference? I plan to use freelance designers from time to time.
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05-31-2005, 7:59 PM
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Jamesaritchie
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RE: sole proprietor vs. LLC
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QUOTE: Originally posted by copywise
I'm an editor/copywriter and have started as sole proprietor (doing business under assumed name). But I wonder, would it be better to have set up as a limited liability company? I know you get no tax shelters that way, but it does give you legal shelter. Set up fees are a little more costly, but is that the only drawback?
LLC only protects your personal assets for company bills you can't pay, and even this protection is limited.
LLC does not, for instance, cover you if/when you:
Personally and directly injure someone.
Personally guarantee a bank loan or a business debt on which the LLC defaults.
Fail to deposit taxes withheld from employees' wages.
Intentionally do something fraudulent, illegal, or clearly wrong-headed that causes harm to the company or to someone else. (Part of this means that if you do something really stupid that injures your own company, you lose LLC protection.)
Treat the LLC as an extension of your personal affairs, rather than as a separate legal entity. (This largely means that if you want to protect your personal assets, then you can't mix your personal assets with company assets, or use company assets for personal pleasure. You can't for example, use company funds to take personal vacations, buy yourself a now sports car, or a condo in Hawaii, else a court will likely rule against any LLC debt protection, since you were using the company as a personal asset.)
LLC is usually only beneficial to those in a business where a lot of money is going to be spent and borrowed, and wherein debt at any given time is going to be substantial. A low overhead businesss with no serious running debt, and no serious dependence on high credit, has pretty much zero need of LLC protection.
I wouldn't begin to start a night club without LLC protection, but I can't see where it's any benefit at all to something like editing/copyediting.
If you go LLC, then you have to go all the way, and you have to completely separate your company from your personal assets in every way. YOu have to get loans/credit in the company name, not your own, which means the company itself must have enough assets to back the loan/credit. Using your own personal assets as collateral means you will almost certainly lose LLC protection, should you be taken to court.
It's a tightrope, and setting it all up is far more complicated than simply paying the extra fee for an LLC. Above this, you have to set everything up so your company and you are separate entities, and this can be very costly to do right, and shouldn't be done without a lawyer guiding your every step. And lawyers themselves are not cheap.
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06-30-2005, 1:31 PM
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0098
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RE: sole proprietor vs. LLC
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Still, forming an LLC is more advantageous in the long run than being a sole proprietor. And you are not stuck with an LLC once you've formed one. Maybe in a few months or years from now, you've expanded your writing business's profit centers. You've also attracted a few like-minded writers who are interested in working with you. Once this happens, you should consider changing to an S or C corporation where the tax benefits are so much better and the range of possibilities is wider. Everything takes time, I know, but it can't hurt to think about and plan for your business's future.
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10-26-2006, 11:18 PM
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Literary Magic
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Re: RE: sole proprietor vs. LLC
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Forming an LLC is not very expensive, but it is not always neccessary. If you don't mind the stipend as well as the tax, then it might be a good choice; however, being a sole proprietor means that you have more freedom and that you are the owner. With LLCs, there can be many members who make the company's decisions. If you ever decide to change your business name yet you have already become an LLC, then you could have wasted that money. In truth, being a sole proprietor is safer and likely better in the beggining of your business; later, you can decide if you want to make it an LLC or not.
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02-07-2007, 8:03 AM
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lawmummy
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Re: RE: sole proprietor vs. LLC
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I have to disagree with the notion that an LLC is only appropriate when you have lots of money. There are plenty of circumstances when an LLC makes sense when there isn't a lot of money involved - but that doesn't mean that it's perfect for everybody. For tax reasons, you're right that in most instances you won't get much benefit. Depending on what you're trying to accomplish, you can, for tax purposes, likely operate just as you did before with respect to filing (meaning on your 1040) - I would check with an accountant to see if it makes sense for you. That said, an LLC does provide some legal protections, though they can be limited. Jamesaritchie has a nice list of when it does not protect you. Here are my two cents about the most compelling reasons to be an LLC: - It forces you to keep your business life separate from your personal life, which is good for accounting and other reasons
- It adds a sense of legitimacy - I think it's your way of saying "I'm really committing to doing this, so take me seriously." Admit it, most people think much differently about a letter that comes from a company than an individual, fair or not.
- Better insurance rates! I'm totally not kidding on this one. Depending on your circumstances, incorporation can sometimes lead to a better health insurance rate through a company than an individual.
I don't think it makes sense to rush out an incorporate if you're writing the occasional article or pursuing writing as a hobby. But if you're writing as a way of making a living, it makes sense to think about it. (And yes, since my forum name will give it away, I will confess that in my "other life" I am a lawyer but this is my own opinion, not legal advice) Lawmummy http://www.lawmummy.com Skype: lawmummy
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