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Started by Erika at 08-15-2006 2:02 PM. Topic has 6 replies.
 
 
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08-15-2006, 2:02 PM
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Erika
Joined on 08-15-2006
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I don't know if it's great or the most torturous thing in the world, but I've gotten two agents to look at my manuscript. The first wanted to see the whole thing after reading the first three chapters, told me it "brightened her day" and she could relate to my character and story, and then said she's leaving the business. The second told me that I was a good writer, had an "interesting and ground-breaking story", but didn't think it would work in his market (he was a Christian literary agent).
Now here's my problem with both these "no thank yous." If my book's so freaking great, why wouldn't the agents have represented it? And if it sucks, why would they have spent the energy to tell me what a great story-teller I am?
This is why I'm thinking about a professional editing service, to get some honest critiques. Honestly, the encouragement is nice, but it still leaves me scratching my head and wondering if I'm chasing a pointless dream.
Erika
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08-15-2006, 7:40 PM
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magic
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I think you have to look more as to what happened here. The second agent liked it but told you it wasn't his market. Did you submit a Christian based book to that agent? Did you find out first if that's the market he dealt in? I think part of finding an agent is doing your homework to see what market(s) they present.
I attened a writing conference and their was an editor who gave a workshop on getting your manuscript published. She talked about the ins and outs of her business as an agent and what she looks for. She also said she dealt in non-fiction only. One of my friends grabbed her business card and sent her fiction manuscript to her. I asked her why she did this when she not only made it clear she dealt in non-fiction, but that information was also printed on her business card as well. Take your time and find out what agents accept the kind of manuscript you've written. Good luck!
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08-15-2006, 9:43 PM
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Linda Adams

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There are a couple of different issues here. The first is that agents can like a book but not feel that they would be the best choice to sell it. If someone isn't comfortable with being able to sell it, then you're better off with them NOT representing it because they won't do as good a job as someone who goes out all excited and eager to pitch the book to the editor. Sales is really tough to do if you have any reservations at all about the product, and that does impact how the person selling comes across. What you don't want is an unenthusastic agent shopping it everywhere without any luck, then you finally looking for a new agent, except that all the publishers have already seen the book.
The second agent made a personal decision that had nothing to do with your book.
The fact that they even took the time to give you comments is very promising.
The second issue is professional editing. That's not going to give you an honest opinion. You'd be paying to have some correct grammar, typos, and other basic writing mistakes. They're not going to tell you that you have too many characters in the first chapter or that there's no reader orientation in this scene and that scene. Find a critique group and join it. And do lots of critiques because you'll learn how to improve your own work by making comments on everyone else's. If you can't find a critique group, start one. Don't waste your money on professional editing. You could easily spend a lot of money and still not be able to sell the novel. Critique groups, on the other hand, don't cost much, if anything.
Finally, it just simply is hard to get published. If it was easy everyone would be published. Sometimes it just takes a lot of time, a lot of rejections, and sometimes it takes writing a new book or learning an additional skill. I have a friend, Adam Meyer, who has his second book coming out next year. He spent years submitting private detective novels and getting rejected. He got tired of being rejected and tried a completely different type of book, and that was the one that sold. Writer Steve Berry wrote ten books before he learned all the skills he needed to get published, and now he's a best selling thriller author. Every writer goes through what you're going through. They submit their books, get rejected, pick themselves, and try again. If you want to be published, perseverence and determination is key because it's going to take a lot of time.
In the meantime, you should already be writing book two. Book one might not sell, but book two might.
Linda Adams
Member of International Thriller Writers and Washington Independent Writers http://www.hackman-adams.com http://garridon.blogspot.com/
Contributing Author: http://www.hackman-adams.com/linda/credits.htm
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08-16-2006, 6:52 PM
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Georganna Hancock

Joined on 08-26-2005
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Erika wrote: | |
This is why I'm thinking about a professional editing service, to get some honest critiques. Honestly, the encouragement is nice, but it still leaves me scratching my head and wondering if I'm chasing a pointless dream.
Erika
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I would have sent you a personal message or email or contacted you through your website or blog -- if only those methods of communication were listed in your profile. I'd be happy to give your manuscript a reading and a professional editor's report on it. I'd hold off on the professional editing, though, until you have an unbiased idea of the story's saleability.
Sincerely,
Georganna Hancock, Professional Editor Recommended by Preditors & Editors http://www.writers-edge.info/editing-services.htm Writer's Edge Blog & Website http://www.writers-edge.info Website Creation for Writers http://www.HancockWebsites.com Writing Help http://www.writers-edge.info/writing-help.htm
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08-17-2006, 7:15 PM
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Blackdog
Joined on 08-21-2005
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Linda is correct that an "editor" will only put your book into good grammatical shape, however there are people, many quite good, who critique as well as edit, and they will tell you whether you have too many characters or chapter three lags or whether your plot is not compelling enough. The question comes down to how much you are willing to pay and choosing the person who is right for you. When it comes to book length many of the best critiquers will critique a sample for little or no fee so that you can each decide if you are right for each other.
Of course, part of the problem in posting in these forums is that you will get a variety of answers. I personally don't find critique groups all that helpful. In most cases you end up getting a bunch of differing opinions from folks who know no more than you about what will sell your novel.
If you are seriously interested in a professional critique there are people out there who have worked in the publishing industry. My own opinion is that it can be well worth it, especially for your first book. As with anything you need to choose carefully and get recommendations if possible, same as you would do if you wanted to get your roof repaired or your car fixed.
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08-18-2006, 5:49 AM
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Linda Adams

Joined on 05-13-2001
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Blackdog wrote: | | I personally don't find critique groups all that helpful. In most cases you end up getting a bunch of differing opinions from folks who know no more than you about what will sell your novel. |
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Most people get critiques only wanting people to find problems in their work so they fix them and get published. But the greatest learning tool of critique isn't RECEIVING one--it's GIVING many of them. When we first started our critique group, everyone gave us very diverse comments about the first fifty pages. They all spotted many things. As we did critiques of everyone else's fifty pages, it clicked into place that all these diverse comments were actually about one thing. Cosmetically, we could have just gone and fixed everything they commented on--which is what most people do--and wouldn't have fixed the issue (which required a lot of hard work and a major rewrite).
What I've seen most often is that the critiquees will have a problem, get comments on it, and not want to change it because of A, B, or C (i.e., well A needs to happen in the story so I need B). Then commenting on other people's work makes them think, it works on them for a while, and they they start coming up with better ways to do it.
I personally have found it very worthwhile--but I also do many, many more critiques than I read.
Erika, if you decide you want to pay for something, make sure you go to Writer Beware first and read everything about editorial services. There are a lot of people out there who want to separate writers from their money, and you'll need to make sure you can identify who they are. Watch out for anyone who overpromises (i.e., "you'll get published--guaranteed!").
Linda Adams
Member of International Thriller Writers and Washington Independent Writers http://www.hackman-adams.com http://garridon.blogspot.com/
Contributing Author: http://www.hackman-adams.com/linda/credits.htm
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01-27-2007, 9:27 PM
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Ethan
Joined on 01-28-2007
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Erika wrote: | | I don't know if it's great or the most torturous thing in the world, but I've gotten two agents to look at my manuscript. The first wanted to see the whole thing after reading the first three chapters, told me it "brightened her day" and she could relate to my character and story, and then said she's leaving the business. The second told me that I was a good writer, had an "interesting and ground-breaking story", but didn't think it would work in his market (he was a Christian literary agent). Now here's my problem with both these "no thank yous." If my book's so freaking great, why wouldn't the agents have represented it? And if it sucks, why would they have spent the energy to tell me what a great story-teller I am? This is why I'm thinking about a professional editing service, to get some honest critiques. Honestly, the encouragement is nice, but it still leaves me scratching my head and wondering if I'm chasing a pointless dream. Erika Yeah, this is a shame. You have to remember though, that you need to present you book like a product. What makes your book marketable, and that kind of thing. It is a product, and you need to go about it that way, but I think it is great that you got compliments on your writing. Keep Up The Faith, Ethan |
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