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Started by Claude123 at 06-14-2006 8:46 PM. Topic has 12 replies.
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   06-14-2006, 8:46 PM
Claude123

Joined on 05-16-2005
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This is the most complicated business I have ever seen!

Hi,

I wrote my first novel and half way thru it I was innocently asked, "which Agent are you going to use?" So, I dropped everything and began to investigate the publishing arena. Talk about a head banger.. I was so confused and dismayed. I had no idea that Agents were so difficult to obtain. I also had no idea that each Agent had certain hoops they wanted me to go through. I left that realm of thinking and producing way back at the workforce, (so I thought) retiring to write creatively and for profitability..yea sure! What a wake-up call.

I sent my query letters, my "hooks" they call them to seven different Agencies that I thought I should try first because they met MY criteria. They were fired back faster than a missle. 'No thanks, not quite what we want and so forth.'..after seven turn downs, I decided to begin to investigate the POD end of things, self-publishing or the trash can. I choose to POD and I think I am quite happy with the results. My book turned out well, it looks good and it is selling. I used Author House after careful deliberation and studying the field...I decided I wanted to make a contribution to "The Literary World" and knock these Agents off the mound. They simply have to go. I am the customer, I hire them. That is how America works. But, it is who you know and what nationality you are in order to get published in America.

I say we must overthrow them. We need to all self publish. I am not waiting two years for my book to beg and find an Agent, let them change it around and redo my work, take a cut and make me kiss their obnoxious butts to boot! I can't do it. I worked long and hard all my life. It is my turn. I will devote my time to my own publicity, I will pay to get my book out there and I will smile because it's mine, all mine.Smile [:)]

Yours Truly,

Mary Jane Cole

www.thebookperfectdress.com

 

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   06-16-2006, 8:03 AM
leeannwriter

Joined on 05-12-2004
A rocky ridge in the Ozark Mountains
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Re: This is the most complicated business I have ever seen!

Dear Mary Jane:

Writing is indeed a complicated business - like any other it has its' quirks and it has standards.  I have been a writer for more than twenty years, the last decade as a full-time writer and I'm the first to admit it's far from an easy business.

 

Unfortunately, the public perception is often that writing is "easy" and that anyone can "get published" so that their feet are set on the road to fame and fortune.  The reality is just not that way.

 

Seven agents is a very small number to query and be rejected by before giving up.  Although an agent does indeed work for the writer, they are versed in the publishing business and have connections that most writers, especially novices, lack.  It is possible to have book length fiction published without an agent but the odds against it are astronomical.

 

As the economy suffers as a whole so does publishing.  Agents are cautious about taking on new writers.  As one example, when fuel costs soar, consumers cut back and one of the first luxuries to go is often pleasures like buying books.

 

I wish you well in your endeavor and choice to self-publish but it's not a route that I myself would choose.  Some POD companies are better than others but a certain stigma clings to such books.  

Patience is a virtue and a necessary part of being a writer.  If you had but waited and queried more agents before chosing POD you might have gained a different perspective.

Rejection, patience, and perserverance are just some of the ways that writers pay their dues.


Missouri Writers Guild
2005 Editor's Pen Award (Scrivener's Pen)
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   06-22-2006, 8:54 PM
keiki


Joined on 04-10-2006
Ohio
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Re: This is the most complicated business I have ever seen!
Mary, I am with you! I too was in the midst of my first book when I suddenly realized that it was in fact, NOT easy to obtain an agent, nor would it be remotely feasable to sort through all of the frauds without feeling like I was washed up before I began. I am going to self publish and then circulate, circulate, circulate! Congrats on your book and the best of luck to you!

Keiki

"A flower that blooms in the face of adversity is the rarest of it's kind."
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   06-23-2006, 12:14 PM
leeannwriter

Joined on 05-12-2004
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Re: This is the most complicated business I have ever seen!

If isn't supposed to be easy to gain an agent.   In the real world there is no free lunch or magic formulas.   It's not easy to find a literary agent or to become a major league sports player or an actor or broadcaster or attorney or physician or anything else.

If self publishing is the route chosen by others, then I wish you well but what beginning writers don't often seem to understand is that self-publishing is meaningless in the literary and real world.   Self-publishing is not an accomplishment but self-gratification.

A writer doesn't start seeking an agent in the middle of the first book - a writer waits until they have a well edited, often rewritten and marketable work.  

And in the real world, most book purchasers are not going to opt for a self-published book over a mass marketed book put out by a reputable publisher.

But I wish you both well in your endeavors - if self-publishing makes you happy, then be happy.


Missouri Writers Guild
2005 Editor's Pen Award (Scrivener's Pen)
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   06-23-2006, 8:53 PM
Georganna Hancock


Joined on 08-26-2005
San Diego
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Re: This is the most complicated business I have ever seen!
It's not really as complicated as you might believe.  It is just very, very crowded with competition.  Book publishing is a business.  Publishers exist to make money, not charitable grants.  Agents and editors are the means for weeding out the less promising enterprises.  Self-publishing may appear to be salvation or a way out or around, but in reality self-publishing fiction is just shooting yourself in the foot (or maybe between the eyes, but surely in the wallet!)

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   07-04-2006, 12:59 PM
Jamesritchie

Joined on 08-23-2005
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Re: This is the most complicated business I have ever seen!
There's no point in even thinking about an agent halfway through your novel.  Giving a single thought to an agent before the novels is finished and polished to perfection is self-defeating.

In all honesty, finding an agent and getting published is ridiculously easy.  There's never been a time in history when so many new writers were published.   In 1947, the "golden age" of publishing, there were a grand total of 374 publishers of all types and sizes.  Today there are 55,000 publishers of all types and sizes.

Getting published is ridiculously easy.   It's writing something that's good enough to attract an agent or editor that's darned near impossible.

Self-publishing isn't going to help.  If your writing is good enough, finding an agent and a publisher really is easy.  If your writing isn't good enough, self-publishing won't make it read one bit better.  Just take a look at all the self-published novels out there.  About 99.99% of them stink on ice. Even if you perform a miracle and manage to write and self-publish a good novel, it'll be buried under mountains of pure garbage.

The writing business is not reall all that complicated.  At it's base, it's about as simply as it gets.  Agents and editors want new writers, and need new writers.   Agents and editors are constantly on the lookout for new writers.

Yes, your self-published book will be all yours.  And it will almost surely be so bad no one except you, and whoever you dislike enough to force it upon, will ever read it.

Writing simply does not work the way you seem to think.  Niether agents nor editors have any plans for redoing your work.  This isn't their jobs.  And the cut they take is a cut they earn many times over.  Agents do not EVER cost a writer a penny.  Agents make writer many, many times more money than the writer could ever earn without one.  The same is true for publishers. 

You can certainly self-publish, but don't do so for such silly reasons that have nothing at all to do with the real world.   Yes, your self-published book will be yours, all yours, and you only you will care.  At best, it won't be half as good as it should be, and at worst it will read like all the other self-published novels out there, most of which really are God-awful.

If you can actually write well, finding an agent and a publisher is easy.  If you can't write well, and until you run the gauntlet yu have no way on earth of knowing just how good or how bad your writing is, getting published is impossible.

And pleae, God, spare us all from one more self-published contribution te the literary world.  We already need a new landfill to hold what we already have.

And for God's sake do not ever repeat the phrase "But, it is who you know and what nationality you are in order to get published in America."   This shows so much ignorance it's hard to believe you've ever read a book, let alone written one.  It's also lousy grammar.

Who you know does not matter in the least.  Not in any way, shape, or form.  This is something new writers want to believe because they can't write well enough.  And because they can't write well enough, they think everyone who does get published must have known someone.  It's foolishness.

Even more foolish is thinking your nationality has something to do with it.  Have you ever even been in a bookstore or a library?  There are books on the shelves and racks from writers all over the country, and from all over the world.   There are bestselling books by caucasians, Afgrican-Americans, Mexicans, and you name it.  One of my favorite writers is Japanese, and another is from Brazil.  Every race and darned near every nationality is represented in force. 

It takes only one thing to be published in America, and that's talent.  Unfortunately, about nine out of ten who try lack any talent at all, and most of the remaining either lack enough talent, enough discipline, or enough knowledge.


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   07-05-2006, 3:15 PM
Blackdog

Joined on 08-21-2005
Posts 133
Re: This is the most complicated business I have ever seen!
I seem to remember a thread where folks were talking about how awful some chick-lit is, and I would agree. I think even you would have to admit that some books get published simply because they fit a popular genre. That's not to say that all chick-lit that comes across an agent's desk will be accepted, but some stuff that wouldn't quite make the grade a few years ago will be picked up now, because it's marketable. The flip side is that work that does not fit clearly into a genre–– section of the bookstore––simply won't be picked up.

Now, if you include in "talent" picking up on trends, then perhaps only talented writers get published, but I'd call that marketing talent, not writing talent.

I'm not saying that everything or even most of what is published is bad, but to say it is all great or even good, is walking around with blinders on. And I don't just think, I know, that there are talented writers out there who will never get a book published because it simply isn't marketable. I also know talented writers whose first book has languished on the shelves due to lack of marketing and who, therefore, will never get another contract. Their talent hasn't waned, but the agent's/publisher's interest has.


Nannette Croce
zine writer
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   07-06-2006, 12:05 PM
Claude123

Joined on 05-16-2005
Posts 5
Re: This is the most complicated business I have ever seen!

Dear Jamesritchie,

 Thank you very much for the information. I am going to go with a traditional publisher for my second book even if it never gets picked up. I am almost finished writing it. I truly do appreciate your input. I still think this is a very difficult field  to break into and having been in many different arenas in the working world, this one is quite complicated. I will always maintain that.

Yours Truly,

Claude 

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   07-06-2006, 5:18 PM
byElizabeth


Joined on 02-09-2006
Colorado Springs
Posts 66
Re: This is the most complicated business I have ever seen!

If you want some input from an actual literary agent on such matters and many more I'd go to  http://pubrants.blogspot.com/.  She is doing a great series right now on the Publishing world and I've gotten a lot out of it.

Check out my blog while you're out there too...http://writerunscripted.blogspot.com/  http://pubrants.blogspot.com/.


*by Elizabeth

Please check out my blog: www.writerunscripted.blogspot.com/
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   07-09-2006, 4:22 PM
stormie


Joined on 05-14-2004
USA
Posts 30
Re: This is the most complicated business I have ever seen!

It's not really as much complicated as it is hard. But then, whatever profession a person chooses, he/she must study and learn the ropes, and yes, it takes time and persistance. That is, if you are really set on following your dream.

That said, write the novel. Polish it. Read all you can about writing. (A good library has many, many books to help you, as do several reputable writer's sites.)  Write the best query you can. Make it short and to the point. Hook the agent!  Submit. First to ten agents, then, if all responses are "no" or you get no response, revisit your query. Rewrite it. Send to the next ten agents on your list. If you still get "no" revisit your ms. Could be the story line is same ol', same ol'. Don't give up! Sometimes it takes at least fifty queries to agents.

A good writer should never have to pay to get their book published.

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   08-11-2008, 11:39 AM
Lin Robinson

Joined on 08-10-2008
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Re: This is the most complicated business I have ever seen!

This is the most complicated business I have ever seen!

 

Wait til you get a load of the motion picture industry. 

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   08-27-2008, 9:46 PM
rixxie

Joined on 12-17-2007
Posts 6
Re: This is the most complicated business I have ever seen!

     I could understand, what you're saying, but self-publishers go thru it too. I just self published, my collection of short stories, and had to put it on hold. Some how the raw draft got mixed up with the, final proof, it was a ugly nightmare. I had heart surgery last summer, my blood pressure is way too high-this making it skyrocket. It is a living nightmare, the book will be out one Amazon.com, in september, but Iam, exhausted. Keep trying, i kill paper versions of people, everyday.--rixxie

http://www.writing.com/authors/rixxie

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   09-10-2008, 6:53 AM
glennrussellm

Joined on 09-10-2008
Posts 1
Re: This is the most complicated business I have ever seen!
Keep writing - always and every day. Don't stop -  turn off the TV if it's distracting you. Do your research. I've written three books. Now I'm editing over and over. Once a book is done the work is not over. I thought one book was done and it's not historically accurate, but the more research I do the better that book will be in the long run. I'm a short time from sending out my first novel again with two others nearly done, but I KNOW how difficult it is. No one would even read my work after sending out query letters, they just sent them back uninterested. Have faith in yourself. The more you write, the more work you will have out there that'll definitely be material that can be published one day. I didn't even send out my first book after a while after no agent would look at it - I just kept writing as I knew for me that was what I needed to do. Once your first book is done don't put all your eggs in one basket and start work on your next book - you want to be a writer and most authors aren't one book stars.... best wishes :)
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