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Started by JReich at 08-16-2005 11:21 AM. Topic has 9 replies.
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   08-16-2005, 11:21 AM
JReich

Joined on 05-01-2001
Milwaukee
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Style guides
Which style guide, if any, do you follow: Chicago? AP? Words Into Type?
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   08-16-2005, 2:32 PM
dbmaine56

Joined on 05-09-2004
Posts 94
Re: Style guides
For the most part, I use  (Cliff Notes) Cliffs Quick Review - Writing Grammar, usage, and style. When I have a grammar issue, what I am looking for is usually pretty easy to find. If I'm still not sure, I use the Chicago.


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   08-17-2005, 7:33 PM
NiseEllen

Joined on 08-18-2005
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Re: Style guides
The stylebook you want to use depends on your market really. Most book publishers use Chicago or some variation thereof. Newspapers and magazines tend to use AP. However, for general grammar & punctuation questions I find the Gregg Reference Manual is very helpful and user friendly.
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   08-18-2005, 6:50 AM
alleycat


Joined on 04-26-2004
Nashville
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Re: Style guides

I use Chicago when I have a question that can't be answered anywhere else; but it's generally my last resort. My copy of Words Into Type is old (has that thing been updated?). As an adjunct, I recently got a copy of Modern American Usage because of a post and recommendation made by Bob Kalsey in another thread. For just basic stuff that my addled brain has forgotten (or was covered that day I fell asleep in 6th grade English), I look in Essential English Grammar or Webster's Guide.

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   08-18-2005, 10:32 AM
WordedWrite

Joined on 06-09-2005
Peoria, AZ
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Re: Style guides

I'm glad you asked this question.  In the past, I've used APA for business and academic writing, but now that I'm approaching a more general market, I think I need to switch.  A publicist recommended the Chicago manual to me, so I'm interest in following this thread to learn more about the appropriateness of different style guidelines for different markets.

Marilyn Haight


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   08-21-2005, 9:06 AM
Blackdog

Joined on 08-21-2005
Posts 133
Re: Style guides
Until now I always used Chicago, but I recently started writing for a publication that requires AP. One thing I like about it is that the AP Stylebook, for me at least, is more user friendly and doesn't get into as many nuances. However, sometimes I have to grit my teeth and do something that is just totally contrary to what has been ingrained in me for years, like skipping the comma before the conjunction in a series and loosening up on commas in general.

Nannette Croce
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   08-26-2005, 8:40 AM
jkhamm

Joined on 07-08-2005
the great midwest
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Re: Style guides
I'm glad I stumbled onto this thread. It reminds me that I need to get a seventh grade grammer book from my sons' laungage teacher before he goes on to high school! Previously one of the gang had posted a reply about this very topic and he reccomened a junior high grammer book! I must write these things down!

"apply the seat of the pants to the seat of the chair" Sinclair Lewis
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   08-15-2009, 9:17 PM
Typewrong

Joined on 08-14-2009
Clermont, Florida
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Re: Style guides

Oh, my goodness, I'll probably be shot down. but I cannot tell a lie - I do not use ANY grammar or style guide.  Granted, there are times when I must look something up but those times are so rare I cannot remember when that last occured. 

If I were writing college papers or legal or any of many other precise documents I would, of course, be extremely careful and selective in my writing.  But I don't.

I write about life - something in the world: a person, problem, family life, work related circumstances - areas that are not noted for perfection.  The world and life are not grammaticaly correct, nor are they consistant with other areas of life.  It would be ludicrous to say, "Pardon my intrusion, sir, but I do wish to take your belongings without your permission."  The phrase would more likely be, "Git 'em up NOW and if ya makes a sound I'll stick a slug in yer gut!"  Grammatically correct?  Hardly.  In keeping with the story.  Probably.

Perhaps a poor choice of illustration, but I do think my point has been made.  Now, considering an agent or publisher will be reviewing my writing, will that passage keep me from being published?  Perhaps.  But then under the circumstances, I believe a more grammatically acceptable phrase would also be frowned upon.

I guess the question is:  just how does one write correctly, in keeping with an editor and publisher, and still be true to some stories?  I am currently working on a story that blows grammer to bits in many places, but it must to be true to itself and the reader.  Those who have read part of it have no problem with the writing and have never thought of grammar.  Part of that praise is because the story is interesting and the style is, for the most part, totally removed from what they are used to.  After all, it is the story that counts, isn't it?    

 

      

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   08-18-2009, 12:57 PM
JimNC

Joined on 07-20-2008
Huntersville, NC
Posts 42
Re: Style guides

I have no problem with the dialog in your example (other than adding a comma after now, since the "and" connects two complete thoughts). In fact, I would say it is grammatically correct -- for dialect. However, don't think grammar doesn't count. I'm a fiction editor for Apollo's Lyre, and I rejected a story just last week because the grammar was terrible. Book editors are no different. If a manuscript looks amateurish, the author will be lucky if the editor makes it past a few chapters.

As for which style manual to use, I prefer the Chicago; but as others stated, it depends on the kind of writing and where it will be submitted.

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   08-19-2009, 7:25 PM
Typewrong

Joined on 08-14-2009
Clermont, Florida
Posts 5
Re: Style guides

Thank you for your comments and, yes, I do agree that correct grammar is a prime necessity in writing.  As you've probably noted, I have done a lot of radio writing - an area that dictates precise writing since it is the on-air personality who carries the burden of inaccuracy, not the writer.  However, I do feel there can be a broader scope in the written word since, (1) it reflects only on the author, (2) may contain calculated "errors" and, (3) may incorporate grammatically imperfect phrases and/or misused words intentionally as is dictated by the author's style.  Perhaps it will work, and perhaps editors and publishers will not agree.  In my case, I will accept either outcome.  However, I will remain true to myself in shaping a world that may interest others.  To me, that's the joy of writing.

Most of all, I am extremely pleased that you are an Editor.  Your comments have been of great value, even though I will keep writing as I do.  If my work is accepted, I will be extremely happy - if not, I will go down in happy flames, knowing I have at least tried it my way.  Thanks for your interest and your valuable comments!      

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