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Started by RonPrice at 07-23-2005 8:17 AM. Topic has 5 replies.
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   07-23-2005, 8:17 AM
RonPrice


Joined on 08-02-2004
George Town Tasmania
Posts 20
Post Icon Plagiarism: A Second Comment
PRICE'S PLAGIARISM[:p]

Some artists are plagiarists. The composer, G.F. Handel, used the material of other composers and passed it off as his own, sometimes improving on it. Of course, T.S. Eliot said that one of the qualifications of a great poet was the ability to use the work of other writers. I certainly draw on the ideas of others, often like some sort of patchwork quilt. Sometimes I quote phrases, sentences and paragraphs without acknowledging the source. It does not always seem necessary, appropriate, desirable or fitting to do so. My poetry, as it is, is loaded with quotations and acknowledgments in both the epilogue and at the end of a poem. -Ron Price, Pioneering Over Four Epochs, 29 September 2002.[}:)]

This story is my unique blend
and plagiarism is just not an issue,
especially now that I do not occupy
an academic chair, lounge-suite
or pillow in the corner of a cloister.[8)]

I have put together my own package
with the help of thousands,
the ideas of more than I can count.
Just how much of me is me
and how much of me is not me
is impossible to tell
in the instance writing.[8)]

It's not all new,
just a changing landscape
in the great quest
for identity and how to live
in and through community
as we rise from obscurity
in these several epochs
and play our role in this
immense human family. [:)]

The surge forward
at this climacteric of history,
in these days of my maturity,
heading down a track
no one can foresee,
such a long struggle,
dazzled and bedraggled
by the chaotic events
of our time at, perhaps,
the darkest hours
before the dawn?[8D]

Ron Price
29 September 2002[;)]





Ron Price is a retired teacher, aged 63. He taught for 30 years in primary, secondary and post-secondary schools. He lives with his wife, Chris, in Tasmania. Their 3 children are now(2007) aged: 41, 36 and 29. Ron moved to Australia from Canada in 1971. He has written three books since 1999. They are all available on the internet for free. Ron has been a member of the Baha’i Faith since 1959 and now lives in Australia’s oldest town, George Town Tasmania founded in 1804.


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   07-23-2005, 11:25 AM
JustJim

Joined on 08-07-2003
Posts 328
Post Icon RE: Plagiarism: A Second Comment
The basic theme for Mosart's Eine Kline Nacht Musick (sp) was taken from a piece by his mentor Haydn. He enlarged and improved on it. But in those days most everybody stole from everybody. It's only plagiarism when the theft is deliberate and no new ideas or thoughts are added. On the other hand, these days it's only polite and politic (if that's the right word) to acknowledge a source of an idea, especially if it forms the main theme of a piece of writing.

Say a writer gets a reputation for not mentioning sources, that writer's work and reputation might soon be sullied. Look at the Australian writer Colleen McCulough (Spelling again). She was accused of ripping off Anne of Green Gables and her reputation suffered. After that her career faltered and even though she kept on writing I'm not sure her reputation ever fully recovered. She said, I believe, that she was unaware of having done this and that the book in question had not been read since childhood. There is a possibility that she'd completly forgotten it and mined hiddden memory. If that can happen by accident, think what could happen when a writer takes deliberate action.

I don't think the odd phrase matters but when it comes to paragraphs I do believe that, even though the author may not be acknowledged, some sort of indication that the words and thoughts are not the author's own is required.


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   07-24-2005, 12:46 PM
Jamesaritchie

Joined on 04-11-2002
Posts 3,588
RE: Plagiarism: A Second Comment
We all borrow, and borrowing can be both good and legitimate. Copying without acknowledging, however, is usually simple theft, and it can ruin any writer's reputation.

It's fine to build on a theme, if you make significant changes or improvements to that theme. This has never been considered plagiarism, and still isn't.

Using the work of other writers does not in any way mean simply copying that work.

There's a reason it's called "creative" writing, and that reason is because legitimate writers create what they write, they don't simply copy from someone else who really was creative.

There are certainly times when borrowing is fine and legitimate, but it's walking a very fine line, and if you step over that line you will be called on it, and rightfully so.
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   05-17-2007, 2:23 PM
Lady B

Joined on 05-05-2007
Posts 4
Re: RE: Plagiarism: A Second Comment
After going to the International Rights Symposium in London for several years, what became VERY clear to me was that different countries define plagiarism differently and that the Internet mucks everything up because it goes across national and international lines. What is plagiarism in the USA, may not be in France, or in New Zealand, or in Russia. I also teach in a college that has a large population of foreign students and what I have to make clear to them from the beginning is that we are using US laws in my classroom. Period! Students from Eastern bloc countries, Asia, parts of Africa and the Middle East have the most trouble with the Western, and particularly, the USA's definitions of plagiarism. In the European countries where the romance-languages are spoken, the laws are different from the Germanic language laws, and in the romance-language countries, a piece has to have creative merit to be protected, so the difference is less difficult. I'll back the person above who said see a literary attorney in the place where you want to publish to make sure you meet the criteria. And heaven help those publishing on the Internet!
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   01-03-2008, 3:56 PM
fastkilr

Joined on 01-24-2006
Posts 8
Re: RE: Plagiarism: A Second Comment

 Online publishing isn't right for that reason. Once someone plagerized an entire piece I wrote years ago, down to my name, which I had for whatever reason tacked onto the end of the writing. Proceeded to E-mail for removal and was told that my five or six sources weren't enough to prove legitamite reason to have it taken down (and how about E-mail address matching the name at the end of the writing?) Many websites refuse to edit some articles - all very frustrating!

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   01-22-2008, 10:32 AM
g-mac

Joined on 01-21-2008
Louisiana
Posts 9
Re: RE: Plagiarism: A Second Comment

I find this thread fascinating. When I was teaching, I found it extremely difficult and exhausting to explain plaigarism to my middle and high school students. Because children today are growing up in the age of instant access through the Internet, they have no concept of copyright. They truly believe if information is posted online, they have free reign over how to use it.

As an aside, it never occurred to me that plaigarism may be defined differently in other countries. This gives writers (and teachers) even more reason for concern.

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