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Started by obanion at 02-26-2005 2:31 AM. Topic has 108 replies.
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   02-26-2005, 2:31 AM
obanion

Joined on 01-09-2005
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RE: Writers who don't try to learn their trade
i don't know if this has been covered in this thread because i don't feel like looking through the 10 million posts, but i do find that sometimes the guidelines for submitting are vague at best, and often end with something like, "if you really want to know what we like to publish then read our magazine." well, thats all well and good if you've won the lottery, but i don't have the money to buy a subscription or even a copy of every publication that i consider submitting to, so the end result is that i often follow the guidelines as best i can and hope that the editors like what they see, even though i've never seen an example of what they've previously published. i figure the worst that they can do is say "no thanks". alright, since there's a brawl going on here, who wants a piece of me?
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   04-26-2006, 8:56 PM
athenasurf

Joined on 04-12-2006
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Re: Writers who don't try to learn their trade
I spend a lot of time reading about writing and I doubt anything I've read has been a waste of my time. I have experienced being in a project and reading something that gives me a new idea about my characters or gets me unstuck. Writing is a craft as well as an art, and only the most unusually gifted can dare ignore learning it. I read about writing because I find it so interesting. And since I'm not one of those unusually gifted writers, it's comforting to know that what I lack in raw talent, I can make up, at least partially, in good craft.
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   04-27-2006, 10:09 AM
belowtheradar

Joined on 04-23-2005
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Re: RE: Writers who don't try to learn their trade

"Read our magazine to get an idea of our editiorial style ..."

Usually works, except in the case of magazines you can't find on any newsstand or in even the biggest bookstore, whose websites, if they have them, offer no sample content. Whose editors still they're offering content the public can't dare do without.

The more brazen -- or clueless -- editors boldly suggest in their writers' guidelines that you BUY a subscription to their magazine.

In both cases, one gets the feeling that the editors can't adequately put into words what they want, and leave it up to the writer to try to figure it out.

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   07-15-2006, 7:57 AM
athenasurf

Joined on 04-12-2006
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Re: Writers who don't try to learn their trade

I agree with you.  I spend a great deal of my free time reading about the craft of writing.  I do it because I want to improve and because the subject fascinates me. It's the best kind of education: all content, no exams. (I suppose submitting is an exam of sorts.)  Doing it wrong and getting fifty rejections will get a writer any closer to publication. It's not a statistical probability situation.

 

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   03-06-2007, 11:00 AM
kellyg

Joined on 02-23-2007
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Re: Writers who don't try to learn their trade
I'm not a writer, but i do not understand how anyone tries to get into their field with out knowing anythign about it. How does one expect to get published with everyone that they send thier work to? They have to realize that in any line of work, they aren't the only ones trying to get places. The only thing a person can do is keep trying, learn from their mistakes, and contantly try to improve their work.
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   04-25-2007, 2:19 PM
Blackdog

Joined on 08-21-2005
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Re: RE: Writers who don't try to learn their trade
 belowtheradar wrote:

"Read our magazine to get an idea of our editiorial style ..."

Usually works, except in the case of magazines you can't find on any newsstand or in even the biggest bookstore, whose websites, if they have them, offer no sample content. Whose editors still they're offering content the public can't dare do without.

The more brazen -- or clueless -- editors boldly suggest in their writers' guidelines that you BUY a subscription to their magazine.

In both cases, one gets the feeling that the editors can't adequately put into words what they want, and leave it up to the writer to try to figure it out.

Actually, I'd say you've got it about right, at least when it comes to literary journals. Trade magazines, of course, do have a certain style and look. As an editor of a literary journal I can tell you very easily what I don't want, but what I do want is a lot harder to quantify. A reading of what we publish would probably bring you to the conclusion that we like strong endings, as opposed to the "single moment of enlightenment," but then something could come along where the prose packs such a punch that I don't mind an ending that trails off. Of course, our journal is free. I do suspect that many of the print journals out there are purchased solely by those who wish to publish in them someday.

 As a writer I no longer submit to any publication that does not provide samples online. Considering that many literary publications pay little or nothing, I'm tired of getting stuck buying a journal filled with stories I might hate, just to find out that my style doesn't match theirs.


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   04-26-2007, 1:12 PM
KeithMN

Joined on 04-25-2007
Minneapolis
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Re: RE: Writers who don't try to learn their trade

As with anything in life, your results mirror your commitment. 

We all know that writing is difficult and getting published is even harder, with lots of boulders in the way on the road to success.  (And those who don't know that probably won't get published at all.) 

How serious are you at becoming the very best you can be?  How committed are you?  A serious commitment requires serious effort.  Study your craft, study the industry and write, write, write! 

After that, it's a matter of attitude.  We know the boulders are going to be there to block our way, but we have choices.  We can complain and blame the industry, editors, agents, the process, etc., or we can climb over them or roll them out of the way.  (i.e., deal with them.)  We all get frustrated and need to vent sometimes. That's natural!  But whining and complaining doesn't help you or anyone else.  What do you think of people around you who whine and complain?  Nobody likes or wants to help them.  Remember, writing isn't a one person achievement.  It's a partnership between the writer and the editor.  Flexibility, humility and teachability are all characteristics of successful writers. 

Publishing isn't fair, but what is?  Being a writer requires developing a thick skin, patience, creativity, the determination to jump hurdles, roll boulders, and the realization that publishing is a business aimed at making money and making readers happy.  (Surprise!  It's not all about me!)

If you don't like an editor's or publisher's submission requirements, rules, guidelines or process, then YOU get to decide whether or not you're willing to submit to them.  Do the reasearch first and if what you learn frustrates you too much, move on. 

In short, don't blame others and don't whine and complain.  In the industry, they're sure signs of hotheads, amateurs and difficult people.  Study your craft, learn from the mistakes of those who've gone before you and determine to be the best writer you can be. 

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   05-23-2009, 6:07 PM
writeroffthelake

Joined on 01-18-2009
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Re: Writers who don't try to learn their trade
This may be the best post I've ever seen here.  You are SO RIGHT.  I've actually had people say to me that "always wanted to write" and then asked me how you find publishers.  Excuse me, but if they've "always wanted to write" (yeah, probably for 10 minutes out of their entire life) then they certainly would have been studying where to send their work as soon as the writing bug hit them.  And that's not the worst of it.  I've had others who don't know the difference between fiction and non-fiction and want to write.  Then there's the ones who haven't read a novel in more than forty years but think they'll try and write one.  It's so insulting.  What do they think writing is; they certainly don't see it as a craft that must be learned.  Yes, study writing before you submit.  I started studying writing in second grade, with issues of THE WRITER and WRITER'S DIGEST.  I read about a dozen books on technique a few months before I started writing.  And it paid off big time.  Within my first three weeks of writing, I submitted maybe 10 short stories and sold three of them.  I got terrific comments from editors I didn't sell to immediately, asking me to try them again, and some even suggesting a market they thought might be a good fit.  Learn the craft and editors will respect you.  With respect, comes sales. - writeroffthelake at Geneva-on-the-Lake

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