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Started by Tigerlilly at 06-11-2007 11:46 AM. Topic has 44 replies.
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06-11-2007, 11:46 AM
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Tigerlilly
Joined on 06-11-2007
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Re: Harry Potter, Artimus Fowl, Eragon, Lord of the Rings
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I agree with the person who lamented that older series were being forgotten. I love Harry Potter but some of the older series are just as wonderful. If you love high fantasy, Guy Gavriel Kay's The Fionavar Tapestry trilogy (The Summer Tree, The Wandering Fire, and The Darkest Road) is a must. It will make you cry. The writing is so lovely. "GGK has said that one of his motives for writing it was to show that the 'matter' of High Fantasy was deep enough to be used in various original ways, and that the genre did not have to become debased into nothing but pale Tolkien imitations" (http://www.brightweavings.com/books/fionavar.htm). Kay helped Tolkien's son Christopher edit the then unpublished The Silmarillion. That should give him pedigree for the Tolkien fans. If you haven't read the trilogy, please do so. It will be well worth it.
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11-06-2007, 10:25 AM
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JamesSea
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Re: RE: Harry Potter, Artimus Fowl, Eragon, Lord of the Rings
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LotR is, in my mind, the zenith of fantasy writing.<p> Potter is amazingly great fun, and very engaging.<p> I haven't read the others. You people suggest them? Eragon seems kind of lame...?
-James C
www.molecularfiction.com
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03-23-2008, 5:57 PM
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Architect of Wolrds

Joined on 03-23-2008
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Re: RE: Harry Potter, Artimus Fowl, Eragon, Lord of the Rings
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I have not read any of the Harry Potter series or Eragon, but if, as they say "the books are better than the movies" I'm sure that holds true for these. I found the plot and character developement of Eragon to be a little weak but he is a young writer so, for his age and knowledge, not to bad. I've not even heard of Artimus Fowl but may have to check it out. There is not much that Tolkein has written that I have not read but the Silmarillion, The Hobbit and the Lord of the Rings, in my opinion, are required reading for any fantasy novelist. It is Tolkein's interpretation of fantasy races that has shaped our perception about what the humans, elves and dwarves culture and appearence should be. Yes, some of it can be a little long and drawn out but it's well worth bearing the "extra" content to get to the meat of the story. The way he weaves his beliefs and views on politics, god vs. evil, etc, subtly into the story-line, almost without the reader knowing it, have greatly influenced the way that I write. As was stated in a couple of other posts, yes, it is almost impossible to write a fantasy story without "borrowing" something from LOTR because it is so inclusive and encompasing. Tolkein is truly the "father of fantasy" and his story contains many themes which are present in almost every fantasy work written since. Don't feel bad about this, just make your novel different by creating a fantasy world of your own with characters and a story that will add something different and creative to the fantasy genre.
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10-09-2008, 6:11 PM
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MonicaW
Joined on 07-11-2008
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Re: RE: Harry Potter, Artimus Fowl, Eragon, Lord of the Rings
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While this debate is interesting, I find a few things that I want to point out. LOTR and HP have some things in common: widely read and popular, long works when combined all together and complex also with the world building but any good fantasy novel should have a good world built for the characters to run around. But this is about it. HP was mainly written for children and is there for much more simple in terms of density. LOTR was written about 50 years ago (and largely ignored for a while) when no one else was really writing fantasy. Its density is more like a brick compared to HP's feather density. In my mind, both are great for their own reasons, but just because they have the same genre doesn't mean they're incredibly similar to compare. If you want rich worlds and languages and an orginal plot where the quest isn't to find but to destroy, read LOTR. If you want a fun, breezy story read HP. There are so many other books and authors that deserve mention if people want to compare fantasy novels. Earthsea series by Ursula K. Le Guin for one. I'm currently reading The Name of the Wind by Patrick Rothfuss and has all the makings of a great fantasy novel. If you like fantasy, try Le Guin, Rothfuss or Mercedes Lackey's elemental masters series. As for Eragon, a dragon isn't the only reason to think it's cool. LOTR and the Hobbit have dragons, and so do many others. Let's branch out the discussion.
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11-08-2008, 2:29 PM
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The Rebellious Journalist
Joined on 07-18-2008
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Re: Harry Potter, Artimus Fowl, Eragon, Lord of the Rings
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"The Name of the Wind" is excellent, one of the best books I have ever read in my life. As for the Lord of the Rings, it's excellent too, especially when you consider the context of when it came out and what society was like (we're talking the fifties!) By the early sixties, escapism was no longer a dirty word. LOTR also paved the way for so much imagination and enthusiasm for fantasy that would've evolved completely differently without its creation. It started the Dungeons and Dragons phenomenon; something that is nearly gone but also something that me being a writer appreciates. We have to remember where we came from!
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