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Started by glynis at 08-06-2005 7:01 PM. Topic has 405 replies.
 
 
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08-06-2005, 7:01 PM
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glynis

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Thanks for the suggestions. And no, I wouldn't actually use "Meanwhile..." unless the style was playful enough or I was writing a graphic novel, but I can't draw... At the moment my scene is variation #2 of Dana's but it just isn't sitting right. I think I may have the actions reversed - as in following Y first instead of X...
Time. I like time and I use it as part of the structure of my writing. I tend to write in the historical/action-adventure area so time is always a factor whether it's being wasted, moving slowly or running out. To do this I have to establish a physical time and abide by it. Whether it's yesterday or a thousand years ago is important to the story, as are passing moments.
I don't state outright what year it is, but I will make references to cultural landmarks that place the period. I rarely state what month or day it is, that all comes through description and action. But the ticking of that clock or the rising of the sun/moon, those are things that make my characters move.
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08-06-2005, 9:51 PM
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danahunter
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RE: Death
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Actually, graphic novels and comics have moved away from the "meanwhile" schtick, at least in the Vertigo line that I tend to read in. Readers are getting too sophisticated to put up with the campy stuff from the 60s and 70s now, unless it's a retro-style book. All I can say is, thank the gods!
You know what sucks the worst about time? Grave markers. I try to stay away from mentioning the year, because I don't want this bugger to be outdated by the time it's published, but when I've got a character standing at a gravemarker, it's hard to get away from. [:p]
Glynis, I want to live in one of your novels. I really do. I want to live in a time and place where the exact minute on the clock doesn't matter, and in fact, who owns a clock? Sometimes, I think that would be wonderful. Then I remember the problem with the backbreaking physical labor, the lack of advanced plumbing, and the fact that there's no Wal-mart, and I decide I'm better off putting up with the clock....
Hrystya, you've found an excellent method for dealing with age: Mom. Oh, man, do Moms ever love to talk about the kids' ages. Maybe not all moms, but mine adores it. And of course, the more embarrassing the memory she wants to share, the more anxious she gets to share it.
Do you guys humiliate your characters with the parents?
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08-06-2005, 10:50 PM
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hrystya
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Well, not humiliate exactly. Faye (Clay's mom) is a remarcable person. I could go on and on just about her. My readers mostly all know that so she is seen as more of a caring mother then a humiliating one.
Though in my novel, the first two - three chapters revolve around the main charector's love/hate relationship with her family, especially her parents.
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08-06-2005, 11:18 PM
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nicoleroscrea
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In my manuscript, Lydia's mom is very career oriented, so she neglects her college-age daughter a bitteen.
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08-07-2005, 7:10 PM
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glynis

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I love familial conflict in reading and writing. Since I write about adolescents and adults that act like them, the parent-child relationship if a focal point. One of my characters has just moved home to "take care" of her mother after a heart attack. They've fallen back into the same patterns established years before. While Vera, the mother, never intends to humiliate her daughter, it just happens because that is their dynamic. She's never going to pull out prom pictures, but she will do or say things than upset her daughter terribly although no one else can really understand why.
Does that mad rambling make sense?
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08-07-2005, 8:05 PM
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nicoleroscrea
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Makes perfect sense, glynis. It's a believable dynamic, too. Lots of mother-daughter relationships are exactly like that.
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08-08-2005, 5:23 PM
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hrystya
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Hi all[:)]
Quick note to danna. Check your email!
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08-10-2005, 5:45 PM
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Xavier_Sharpe
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I feel so guilty! I only read the first page.
But on the aspect of characters, I know I have a mental problem. But it's okay, because I like it. My writer friend writes sometimes dozens of pages of day, spins excellent plot, and has some poetry published, but he still can't get past this. I, on a daily basis, open a clean word document, and interact with my characters. I run it like a chat room. When I press a certain letter combination (for example B + C for Brett Carson), words, BRETT CARSON: come up, and and I type.
The point that I can't get across to my friend is that I don't decide what they say. It all comes from my subconscious, and I interact as if they're real people, so I don't think it really matters. Whereas my friend thinks it's all about simulating the effect. I just shake my head.
This is why when a character dies, it's more than just a loss to me. I can no longer write about that character. Non-writers talk about bringing back characters like it's an easy thing to do. I seriously no longer can talk to Brett Carson, as he died in the second book in the series I'm writing. The words don't just come.
As some of you may know, I study psychology to further my character research and my imaginary friends inside my head. So in the end, it's a writing disorder, a type of schizophrenia.
Got to go,
-X
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08-11-2005, 2:10 AM
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danahunter
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Welcome to the group, Xavier!
I don't consider taking your characters seriously as a mental illness. It's not really that much different than people talking to their cat or dog, or their best friend. I believe in the reality of characters, although they're not here physically, and many writers treat them as real people. Even to the extent of grieving for the ones who have passed.
I know exactly what you mean when you say you can't talk to Brett anymore. It's different when a character's dead. Even when you go back to write about an event prior to their death, there's a thin quality, like it's a memory rather than something happening now.
To clue you in on the Death thread without you having to read the other nineteen pages, we're kind of all over the place in here. So if you want to discuss any aspect of writing with us, just throw it out there.
Hrystya, I did check my email, and I'll get your request taken care of as soon as I've recovered from San Diego. Fast trip, too much stuff done!
Where the heck did everybody else go? [:0]
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08-11-2005, 4:21 PM
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nicoleroscrea
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Hey, everyone--no Internet at my house, so I was gone for a few days. Sorry. I'm back.
Welcome, Xavier. Believe me, you're not alone in your interactions with your characters. To me (and other writers I know), characters are real, and by "creating" them, I have an obligation to tell their stories, not my story. I don't feel like I'm crazy or schizophrenic by my interactions with my characters. Like Dana said, it's like talking to a pet. Or, to take another perspective, I'm Christian, and I pray to saints to ask them to pray for me. Does that mean I'm crazy? I talk to my deceased grandfather and ask him to keep an eye on my family for me. I must be certifiable, eh? In the writer's world, anything and everything is possible.
You know, I've been toying with the idea of addressing this very issue in my livejournal. I think I will. I'd encourage you to check it out (any of you, not just Xavier). Visit: www.livejournal.com/users/baristanikki
Ah, I missed you all so much!! It's so good to be back!!
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08-11-2005, 4:56 PM
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hrystya
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I'm glad you all are back![:)] I missed you guys. Donna I replied to your email. We wil be moving in a day or two, so I may not be here for a few days.
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08-11-2005, 5:35 PM
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danahunter
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Moving sucks. [:(!] I hope it goes well for you, Hrystya!
Nicole, I couldn't find Jasper Fforde at the bookstores we went to in San Diego. Do you know how sad that is? I think I'm just going to place an order with Amazon soon.
Wish I had something useful to say about writing, but my brain's still on vacation mode.... [:p]
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08-11-2005, 5:41 PM
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nicoleroscrea
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QUOTE: Originally posted by danahunter
Nicole, I couldn't find Jasper Fforde at the bookstores we went to in San Diego. Do you know how sad that is? I think I'm just going to place an order with Amazon soon.
Yes, I do know how sad that is. I Ffound his Ffirst two books on the bargain rack at BN. The other three I ordered from Amazon.com. I'm about halFfway through the Ffourth TN book, then I'll be reading the NC book. Hooray!
Who else has picked up Fforde as per my recommendation? I'd love to do some book discussion with someone about it!
Key:
TN=Thursday Next
NC=Nursery Crime
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08-12-2005, 7:16 PM
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glynis

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Nicole,
I have read The Eyre Affair. I have even recomended it to others. I would like to ask how different are the other novels in the series?
Hrystya,
How is publication of your novel coming along?
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08-12-2005, 7:19 PM
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glynis

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Boy, the death thread is dead...
Open question:
I tried this out in other threads and had no joy. I am curious about what your favorite books are from your pre-teen and teen years. The books do not have to be great literature, but what made you read and want more?
Any ideas will help me thanks!
Glynis
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08-12-2005, 10:47 PM
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danahunter
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The Death thread isn't dead - just mostly dead. Give it a Chocolate-covered Miracle and we should be good to go.
Teen and preteen favorites? Hmmm. Brace yourself: it's a long list!
Black Stallion series
Hardy Boys and Nancy Drew
Christoper Pike's novels
Witch of Blackbird Pond
Canyon Winter
Little Princess of the Flowers
King of the Wind
Where the Red Fern Grows
Summer of the Monkeys
Birth of the Firebringer
Sweet Valley High [*^_^*]
These books share a few common threads. They're detailed: I could see, touch, taste, smell and hear what was happening. They don't talk down - somehow, the authors managed to be clear and explained unfamiliar concepts without making it look like they were explaining anything. They had exotic elements, showing me things I didn't experience in my everyday life - I remember learning a smattering of Arabic from Walter Farley and everything from crime scene investigation to fashion from the Hardy Boys and Nancy Drew. But they also talked about issues that meant something to me: wanting things you couldn't get, fitting in, love and loss. None of these books shied away from the tough issues, like death and drug abuse. They were all fast-paced, didn't lag anywhere before they had the next crisis or interesting event, but also took time to show me around the author's world. In other words, they're a lot like the best writing for adults, only with more young protagonists (most of these characters were close to my age) and less complicated language. The authors would use beautiful prose, but not too many tricks with extended metaphor, alliteration, or any of the other complexities that adult literary authors tend to use.
This list is a sampling of what I read from about age 10 to 13. After I started high school, I stopped reading "young adult" books and jumped straight into books for "adults": d*** Francis, Louis L'Amour, and so forth. But I can still read YA books like Birth of the Firebringer and enjoy them immensely, because they have something on offer for all ages: you don't have to be in a high school mentality to read them, like I would with Sweet Valley High.
Hope that helped!
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08-13-2005, 12:41 PM
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hrystya
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I actually have great news! My book just went through printing! Only 1,000 copies but it's a start!
My teen/pre - teen years wern't so far away. I'm still kind of in them. One of my favorite books was "Titanic Crossing", b/c I'm just interested in anything about that disaster.
"The Giver" I had to read it for school, but it was hard to wrap your mnd around, and I liked that.
"The Only Alien on the Planet" , made me cry SO hard!
And last but not least..."Learning to Sing; hearing the Music in Your Life" by non other then Clay Aiken. It's his memour, and it's just the most amazing book...maybe I'm biased, but I really enjoyed it.
I guess the common thread for me is emotion. The book has to have emotion for me to like it. I love angst, and use it alot, sometimes too much in my own writing.
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08-13-2005, 2:50 PM
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danahunter
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Congratulations! That's so awesome - your first published book! When does it get released?
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08-13-2005, 5:40 PM
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glynis

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Congratulations on the novel Hrystya! I hope you're having a party to celebrate.
And thanks to you both for the book suggestions!
I keep booklists for pre/teens so I can suggest books to kids already searching for something to read or those who just have a hard time finding a book that clicks with them. I find by asking people about their own favorites from that time I'm given books I've never heard of or outside of my experience. They become excellent additions to my list.
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08-13-2005, 10:10 PM
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hrystya
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Well, it's being released in Ukraine first, and I don't know the exact date yet. And about the party, I hven't had my graduation party yet, and we just built a house so we're moving next week, and we're having an open house so there will be many ocasions to party.
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