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Started by hrystya at 06-17-2005 6:59 PM. Topic has 405 replies.
 
 
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06-17-2005, 6:59 PM
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hrystya
Joined on 06-13-2005
Omaha, Nebraska
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RE: Death
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Since this thread has turned into a discussion about things other then death, I'll ask another question. What inspires you/gives you ideas for your writing?
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06-18-2005, 3:31 AM
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danahunter
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RE: Death
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Oh, gods, sweetie - what a can of worms you've just opened! [:D]
This is gonna take awhile. There's no one answer because the ideas come from everywhere. Guess I'll just give a general background and a few recent examples, and hope this doesn't turn into a novel about Where Dana Hunter Gets Ideas.
Characters come first. Most of my inspiration comes from them. If I didn't know each and every one of them so well (they're my best friends), the greatest idea in the world wouldn't strike me. So it begins with this huge cast of wonderful story folk who for some reason chose me as their author, and comment on nearly everything I read, see, talk about or experience. And when a new character is called for, the old gang typically introduces the newbie. It may sound bizarre, but that's how it is. We talk all the time, they're real to me, and I stopped worrying about my lack of sanity a long time ago because every writer I admire experiences the same thing.
That being said, the ideas for actual stories can come from anywhere. I have a whole story written around a throwaway comment a friend made about a band sounding like a sick garbage disposal. A karaoke story got written because another friend wouldn't let me work at karaoke unless it was a story about karaoke. An entire novel came from wondering why Peter Wingfield (a fabulous British actor) sounded so familiar, and that opened the door to another character who then told me his story. The best story I've ever written came from me looking at the Yos***aka Amano print of Morpheus I have on the wall and saying, "Allow me to serve you in whatever capacity you wish, my lord." That flippant, half-joking remark to the Dream King had me scrambling to finish a story that dropped whole-cloth on me while I was trying to use the bathroom just afterward.
I had a novella happen because I was reading Bruce d***inson lyrics and I realized that one verse described relationships between widely disparate characters and events that I'd been puzzling over for years. Another one happened because I kept hearing the words "Old man, old man" repeated with great respect and affection. Other times it's more pedestrian - I just play the What If game with my characters. What if neural networks of sufficient complexity model the human brain TOO accurately? Or I'll send out a general call: "I want to set a story in Mexico. Who's had something interesting happen there?" They always come through.
The point to all of this is, ideas are everywhere. All writers come by them in different ways. In my case, I've been blessed. I have a series of regular characters whom I know better than I'll ever know flesh and blood people. I've invited them to have a presence in my life, and that in turn leads to many wonderful inspirations. I listen, I pay attention to the world and read everything I can get my hands on, and they provide the link. Hard to explain, but it works.
Hey, look, this was merely a novella. [:D] Back to you, my darling: where do your ideas and inspirations come from?
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06-18-2005, 10:40 PM
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hrystya
Joined on 06-13-2005
Omaha, Nebraska
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RE: Death
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Well, I just graduated from highschool, so I usualy wrote what I was instructed to write ie. in English composition we needed to write about someone we admired. You can probably guess who I wrote about.....first name starts with a C. lol I didn't write much fiction until I took a creative writing class where we had total creative freedom. There I started getting different ideas from different places.
I guess I get alot of my ideas from music. Just 1 line in a song can give me an idea for a scene and then the story builds around it. A spacific example is a song called "love of my life." There's a line that say's "Now here you are, with midnight closing in. Take my hand as our shadows dance, with moonlight on your skin..." that gave me an idea for a whole chapter of my fan fic. The song is beautiful by the way. Listen to it if you can.
I also get alot of ideas from pictures in magazines. The idea for the story Kitchen Table Memores - I think I put it on this site - came from a picture in a Pottery Barn Catalog. Half of the idea for the fan fic Passion Fruit (that's on here too) came from another magazine.
Another thing I thought to do was to Google a famous artist by the name of Renuar (sp) that we studied in Humannities Class. He painted realistic paintings that tell stories. I copy/pasted them into a folder on my computer and when I need ideas I randomly pick one and make up a story about what's happening in the painting. That's where I got the idea for The Secret of the Maples.
One funny thing that happened to me was that my best friends, tired of reading my romance stories which always ended happily (atleast they thought so) bet me to write a story about a boy on a playground, someone had to die (as my friend Kelly said, even if it's a bug) and NO ROMANCE ALLOWED! [:(] I took the bet under the condition that they would write one too. I wrote Angel Girl in for days. It's been two months and they haven't writen theirs yet. [:D]
My novel is about MDA Camp. My biggest insperation was MDA Summer Camp. I have a conjenital form of MD and have been attending MDA Camp for 9 years. Next week I'm going again which will make it 10 years! The charactors came from people I knew frm camp.
I guess I have alot of inspiration too. Thanks for replying.[:)]
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06-18-2005, 11:32 PM
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danahunter
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RE: Death
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There's inspiration surrounding everyone. The difference between writers and non-writers is that we writers do something about it! [:D]
Funny you should mention being inspired by Renoir. He's one of the few from that school of art who doesn't put me to sleep. I had to study quite a lot of fine art for one of my characters, an assassin named Adrian, and found a love for it that I didn't realize was in me. But Adrian and I appreciate the Pre-Raphaelites and the Italian Renaissance painters more than the Impressionists and such like.
I'm glad you're not letting MD stop you. Much the contrary: you've used it as inspiration, which is fantatic. I've met two kinds of people with medical problems or disabilities: those who let it control them, and those who find ways to make it work for their benefit. Sounds like you're firmly in the latter category. I can't tell you how much I respect that.
And as for thanking me for replying, let me just say this: I really enjoy these free-ranging discussions. You give me hope for the younger generation. You're smart and funny and you think. Nothing on this earth is going to stop you with those qualities. So, thank YOU.
Sorry to say, though, I'll probably never develop your passion for Clay Aiken. I think he's utterly adorable, and I respect him, but my musical tastes run very dark, very metal, and very import. I rarely listen to anything from the US now, with a few exceptions like Roger Clyne and the Peacemakers. The lines you quoted were gorgeous, though. I can see how you got a story from them.
So heck, why not? I'll throw you something from the Peacemakers:
While the moon wanes and waxes / surely death and taxes are lurking out there / life is grand / love is real / and beauty is everywhere. from Better Beautiful than Perfect.
They're also responsible for my signature on this forum, en tequila es verdad. "In tequila is truth". Not that I drink that often, by any means, but I found a very true story in a pitcher of margaritas once, so the quote's valid. [:p]
So, now that we've discussed ideas, allow me to quote from their song Mekong: So flip a coin / what shall we talk about? Head I tell the truth and tails I lie....
Back to you, love. And if I don't see you beforehand, have fun at camp! [:)]
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06-18-2005, 11:35 PM
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JustJim
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RE: RE: Death
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QUOTE: Originally posted by hrystya
Since this thread has turned into a discussion about things other then death, I'll ask another question. What inspires you/gives you ideas for your writing?
What can sometimes be fun is to use a story generator such as the ones on the following site.
http://www.seventhsanctum.com/
They are in the box on the left hand side. It's generally held that you shouldn't keep looking for a set of instructions that you feel are suited for you, but to take the first one and go from there. You can probably write your fanfic characters into them. If you like them, you can find more by googling "story Generators".
Have fun.
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06-18-2005, 11:46 PM
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hrystya
Joined on 06-13-2005
Omaha, Nebraska
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RE: Death
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Hey, no problem about not liking Clay. You're respectful about it atleast. And I respect your opinions in music to, though I'm not really into metal. I am on many other mesage boards where people only come to bash Clay/Clay fans. Ugh! It's agrivating!
Anywho's...[:)] You're right about writers. We're cool like that. lol[8D]
I need to go. Loooooooong day of packing and getting ready tommorow. I'll see if you replied tommorow. If not, have a nice week.
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06-18-2005, 11:58 PM
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danahunter
Joined on 06-06-2005
Arizona
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RE: Death
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You, too!
And hey, I'm never, ever going to bash anyone for who they like. Let's face facts: I had a HUGE crush on Mark Slaughter when I was young, so who am I to talk? People just love to talk trash about other people's passions without ever considering that their tastes might be just as screwy to somebody else. There's absolutely nothing wrong with having idols.
I've found this reponse from The Tick quite useful: (put hands over ears) "I'm not listening, la la LA la laaaaa." To be recited in a suitably operatic tone.
I'll see you when you get back. Have fun packing!
And hey to anyone else reading this: since it's pretty much turned into an open topic, what would ya like to talk about next? [:D]
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06-19-2005, 11:59 AM
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hrystya
Joined on 06-13-2005
Omaha, Nebraska
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RE: Death
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LOL[:D] That's funny "lalalala NOT LISTENING!" You're pretty funny too!
I wish that would work on the Clay boards. Thouh the best thing you can do is just not talk to them.
Okay, another topic. (.this is fun [:D])
Do you think movies that are based on books do the books justice? I just saw The Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants movie two weeks ago. I read the books when I was in midle school and wanted to see the movie. It was a great movie, made me cry like you won't believe, but they changed so much from the story. I mean I understand why I guess. There was alot of sex related stuff in the book, and the movie was pg13 (seriously there were like 10 girls sitting behind me that were giggling through out the whole movie) and they wanted to keep it clean....but still!
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06-19-2005, 3:43 PM
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danahunter
Joined on 06-06-2005
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RE: Death
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You've cracked me up, yourself. [:D] And made me think and reconsider some assumptions, so thank you. [;)]
Okay: book vs. movie. They're such different creatures that it's hard to compare, and I think that's partially where the problem comes from when people gripe about how the movie didn't stay true to the book, waaah. Well, as you pointed out, it can't. In this case, looks like it was mostly a ratings difficulty. But there's also a time crunch, can't show inner thoughts easily..... ten thousand things that for whatever reason, don't translate well between the mediums.
Let's take a specific example here and see how many worms spill out of the can. [:D]
Lord of the Rings. I know there are people who vehemently disagree, but I believe that was the best translation from page to screen in the modern age. I base this opinion on two things: my own perception, and that of a rather critical friend who read LOTR at 11 and finished the Silmarillion at 12. I was coming to this never having read the books. Gasp, shock, I'm a fantasy writer who couldn't stand Tolkien, until I saw it translated to screen and it came alive. Jim, of course, has loved LOTR since childhood. Both of us loved - no, adored - those movies. Not because they followed the books closely, but because they followed the spirit. Peter Jackson did it exactly right: directly translated what he could, stayed true to the spirit and intent of the world when he couldn't. He cut out everything that was great in the books but would have stopped the movies dead, intensified the action here and there, but he'd lived and breathed Tolkien's work so thoroughly that even the parts he twiddled or outright created, he got right.
I won't go into an essay here. That should at least give enough of a sense to get across what I'm saying: book to movie translations work wonderfully when the person doing this knows a) how to film a darned good movie and b) can stay true to the spirit if not the letter of the book. They suck when the filmmaker is just using the book as a jumping-off point and then goes off in his/her own direction without holding true to any part of the spirit, or alternatively, loves the book so much they try to film it exactly.
I have yet to see a good book written from a movie. But I haven't read nor seen the Abyss, which according to Card work well together. Again, it's a matter of spirit, and recognizing what unique advantages each medium has.
As in all things, there are exceptions. I loved Interview with the Vampire both as a book and as a movie, although they were drastically different from each other. Maybe that was where I learned to enjoy each for what it is, and not worry about nitpicky detail: good's good. Bad's bad.
And there's exceptions to THAT rule, too!
Speaking of movies that make one cry, last time I cried at the theater was during Last Samurai. Hmmm. Last movie that made me jump up and down and scream "Yes! They got it right!" was Batman Begins.
So, now that I've subjected you to yet another rant, let's spin this off in another direction: what do you think of novels written for television shows? As good, better, worse than the show?
Back to you in the studio.....
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06-19-2005, 5:16 PM
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hrystya
Joined on 06-13-2005
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RE: Death
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I'm sorry, I don't understand. Can you give me an example?
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06-19-2005, 6:20 PM
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danahunter
Joined on 06-06-2005
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RE: Death
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Not a problem! If this doesn't help, let me know.[:D]
Star Trek television shows vs. the Star Trek novels. Other tv shows with spinoff novels that I know of are Alias, Buffy, Angel, and Highlander. They're like an episode of the show, only in novel form.
If you've never read a novelization of a tv show, count your blessings! Most aren't so good, although there's exceptions, of course.
See ya later![:p]
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06-19-2005, 8:10 PM
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hrystya
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Ohhhh! I get it now!
No, I've never read those, but I think it's kind of a dumb idea. Like, Marry Kate and Ashley Olsen books. Sheesh! They do everything from ride horeses to dance Ballet, and they're six (in the books)! When I was six, I played with Barbies! It's wierd b/c that's really their names and the books are fiction. Creepy.
Then there were Babuysitter Club books. Those wern't half bad, but then they started to add stuff, like the baby sitter's little sisters colection, which were a WHOLE new series of books. So now there's the 60+ original BSC books and 30+ more BSCLS books. That's over 100 books! How can a 2cnd grader read that fast??? After third grade I got bored with them so I moved on to American Girl, but that's another story.
And really, I don't get the point of it. How can you pull out enough detail from a 30 minute TV show to write a novel?
Allright, I'm done with my rant. Your turn.[:D]
This is becoming like a little game. I'll have to think of some good questions to ask you when I come back.
oh, BTW, you like my sigg?[:D]
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06-19-2005, 10:56 PM
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danahunter
Joined on 06-06-2005
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RE: Death
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Maybe by the time you come back, I'll have thought of another question. [:D] You're right, this is fun. And I don't like, I LOVE your sig - I try to live by that philosophy and wish that more people would. [;)]
QUOTE: How can you pull out enough detail from a 30 minute TV show to write a novel?
They do it, and sometimes they get great stories, but the problem is that the people writing them don't know the characters half as well as they'd like, and that they're trying to write for television in book form, which doesn't work all that well. As I said, there are exceptions, but usually it's just done for commercial reasons and the stories come out sounding rather insipid.
Let's just not talk about Mary-Kate and Ashley. I never understood why a book series came out about them. Grr. When I was that age, I was reading things like Hardy Boys and Black Stallion.
Now, don't THAT date me? [:p]
Have fun at camp. [8D]
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06-22-2005, 3:29 AM
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baristanikki
Joined on 06-18-2005
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RE: Death
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06-22-2005, 8:09 AM
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danahunter
Joined on 06-06-2005
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Hey, there, you made it! Good to see you here! [;)]
Hrystya, just a brief intro for when you get back: baristanikki's an absolutely delightful, insightful, and inspiring addition to our cozy little group here. We've been emailing back and forth, and I think you're going to find her as wise and fun as I do.
Ah, what I'm reading.... When I have time to read now, it's Susanna Clarke's novel Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell. It's set during the Napoleonic wars, and deals with magicians trying to bring magic out of the realms of scholarship and back into practical use. This woman has a very subtle but wicked wit and she's merciless on London society in the Nineteenth Century.
How's about you? Anything good going on?
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06-22-2005, 11:23 AM
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baristanikki
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What I'm reading....
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I'm currently reading Lost in a Good Book by Jasper Fforde, the second in the Thursday Next novels. Literary intellectual pseudo-science fiction murder mystery set in England. It's great!! Lots of intertextual references and funny! The first is called The Eyre Affair and it's highly recommended! Next I'm going to be reading a nonfiction book called Writing a Woman's Life by Gloria Heilbrun.
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06-22-2005, 8:01 PM
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baristanikki
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Here's a topic to discuss....
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06-22-2005, 9:02 PM
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glynis

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I'm sorry I have to jump in here. Intertextuality? Literary intellectual? Pseudo science fiction murder mystery.... You're joking right? A book you have to think about actually gets published!?!?
I'm sorry, let me catch my breath. I've read stories about people who read books like that. Wow. When I actually track down a warm body that is willing to admit they read, the aired preference tends to veer toward "chick-lit" or sports biography. The Devil Wears Prada and the Lance Armstrong Story kind of leave me cold.
BaristanikkI, do you live in the US?
Glynis
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06-22-2005, 9:10 PM
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danahunter
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You don't go for the light reads, do you? [:D] I'll have to check into that series one of these days.
Ah, pseudonyms. You mean like mine? Why would one want to write under an assumed name? In this special case, two reasons: one of my characters stole my first name and won't give it back (believe me, we argued loud and long), and my last name would lead to violence. It's one of those bloody trademarked last names. Won't say which one in a forum, mind you, but suffice it to say, I get enough snarky remarks now. At book signings, it's generally considered extreme bad manners to whack your loyal public with your four pound tome after they've made a crack about your name. Thus, Dana Hunter.
Just in case anybody wonders WHY Dana Hunter: Dana for the Celtic goddess of wisdom, magic and prosperity (mostly wisdom, because I needed some, and prosperity, because I would like some). I chose Hunter from a character in the Coldfire Trilogy by C.S. Friedman. The Hunter, Gerald Tarrant, is the best antihero I have read to date. And it sounded nice alongside Dana. And there aren't that many H's in the Sci Fi section, but H is between Gaiman and Jordan, so I figure I'll have a chance of being found. [:D]
Are you going to write under a pen name?
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06-23-2005, 6:22 PM
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baristanikki
Joined on 06-18-2005
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RE: RE: Death
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QUOTE: Originally posted by glynis
BaristanikkI, do you live in the US?
Glynis
In the midwest, actually.
I found Fforde by accident when I was bargain-book shopping at BN, and fell in love. He's coming out with a new series: Nursery Crimes, which is unleashed in the UK in July and I heard (unconfirmed) in the US in September or so.
I love Fforde. I plan to become an avid fan. If you haven't read him, do. His work is gorgeous.
And you? U.S.?
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