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   05-21-2005, 3:47 PM
CandiBahamas

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RE: Harry Potter, Artimus Fowl, Eragon, Lord of the Rings
The Harry Potter novels are well written and enjoyable reads. I like them a lot. LOTR is on my list as are Eragon and Artimus Fowl.

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   06-19-2005, 7:19 AM
kallisto

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QUOTE: Originally posted by samb191

I've read all four and have to say the Harry Potter series is my favourite so far, purely for Rowling's talent in story telling and her extensive imagination (although the fifth book was somewhat disappointing). I wish I could jump into her brain for a day or two!

I didn't enjoy Eragon as I felt it was far too predictable, and the writing annoyed me greatly. I'm unlikely to read the next two books in this trilogy.

As for Artemis Fowl, I found it immensely difficult to get into mainly because I didn’t like any of the characters, so after the first two books, I gave up. It is a highly original idea though.

Lord of the Rings...I managed to read the first one but I found the endless pages of description to be quite detrimental to my attention span! I much prefer watching the films.
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   08-06-2005, 7:42 AM
LinnAnn

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RE: Harry Potter, Artimus Fowl, Eragon, Lord of the Rings
I had a hard time finishing the HP #6 as I was crying so hard. I get very emotionally involved with well written characters. lol

I AM wondering how she is going to tie it all up and end in only one more book. Snape, in his escape, clobbered Harry. Harry has decided to forgoe the last year of school and chase after Voldemort but Harry hasn't enough knowledge. Hermione has a lot to offer,. Ron, I'm not sure what he will offer as he draws on Hermione's knowledge a lot.

I think She may yet pull a switch and have Snape be a 'good guy' because of Dumbledore's helping him all these years. Snape said to let Harry live because Harry was Voldemorts to kill, but was that a desperate attempt to honor Dumbledores faith in him? Did Dumbledore know that Snape would go to the extent he did to infiltrate Voldemorts group, and kill Dumbledore in order to keep his secret to protect Harry, or did he actually re-join the death eaters?

Was Dumbledore's 'Please' to Snape a request to let Harry live, or to kill Dumbledore instead of Harry because he knew he was dieing anyway?

And how come, if Dumbledore was the new picture and sleeping in the office, why didn't he offer his two cents on what to do concerning the school?

They've had 'experts' trying to deal with "V" for years and yet three kids who aren't even out of schol are going to get him????

I also wonder how many romantic pairings are going to go into the ending. lol

I think she is a talented writer, but her last book in this series could be difficult to pull off and still maintain the quality and suspense she has put forth, in her recent book especially. You know the last book is going to sell at a phenominal rate, not only because of the great writing and story line, but because it is the last and wraps it all up.

I love the PERN books,(cried horribly when Robinton died) except the last one co written by her son. I think he wrote all of it as it's not very good at all. I think Anne's health must be very poor to have let that book get through and carry her name. I'm appalled that the publishers would let it get through with the poor quality of writing and the inconsistencies with the other books of her series. It really disappointed me that I paid for a hard back in my eagerness to have another book from her concerning the Series. I will not trust that publisher again concerning that author.

I had a wonderfully large book of the Hobbit, but it wasn't well made and started to come unglued from it's binding the first day I owned it. I took it back and the second one did the same, even with very careful handling. I kept it, as I loved the book, but still think after over 20 years that the publisher cheated the readers on the printing quality.
Ok, I'm off my soap box, someone elses turn. lol
love, LinnAnn
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   08-08-2005, 9:31 PM
KrazyKrzys

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I like all of them. Lord of the Rings, is of coarse, my favorite series of books, and I read them anually to honor JRR Tolkien's work. I have personally read Harry Potter books 1-4 8 times, and the fifth twice, whereas the sixth once. Eragon is a great read for the younger, and although it uses some similar ideas to many books, is still a very fun read. I read it in 2 days. Now, Artemis Fowl, it's okay, but the first one is the best. I liked the idea of a kid outsmarting an advanced race. However, the sequels were just too stretched out. I hated the third one so much, I stopped reading it. THe second was okay, but the first was AMAZING.
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   08-09-2005, 9:56 PM
bianca_mystify

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RE: Harry Potter, Artimus Fowl, Eragon, Lord of the Rings
My favorite book out of all of them would definitely be Harry Potter, but that's because I never read the rest of them, I tried get into Lord of The Rings but i couldn't, I can't watch the movies either but no offense to LOTR fans I still like you if you like them but i just can't get into them, but my all time favorite was and is the Chronicles of Narnia. When I was in grade 3 or 4 our had teacher read the whole set to our class. It was the best books ever!!!
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   08-09-2005, 10:56 PM
Janeth

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QUOTE: Originally posted by LinnAnn

I love the PERN books,(cried horribly when Robinton died) except the last one co written by her son. I think he wrote all of it as it's not very good at all.

I really loved the first two and the Dragonsinger books, but she lost me with White Dragon. But that doesn't stop me from rereading the earlier ones every time I visit my parents.[:)]

My mum first read the Hobbit to me when I was 7 and it's been one of my favourite books ever since. I even like it more than the Lord of the Rings, and that's saying something!

I've had mixed feelings about the Harry Potter series. I think it's wonderful that it's encouraged so many people to read, and I think the books are enjoyable, but I don't necessarily believe it deserves all the hype that has surrounded it. At least, I don't think it deserves the hype more than many other children's books that don't get mentioned so often.
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   08-12-2005, 5:45 PM
Mockingbirdflyaway

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I have positive views about all four book series.

I read the Hobbit about two years ago, and I liked it, especially how it was meant to be read out loud. I got about 2/3's of the way into Fellowship of the Ring before I had to put it down. JRR Tolkein's talent is unmatched, but there were points where I was literally falling asleep while reading it *laughs* so I watched the movies and got my friends who were LOTR buffs to explain what was going on. Imaginative guy Tolkien was.

I love the Artemis Fowl books- Eoin Colfer's writing is direct, imaginative and very very funny. The characters are all very distinct and I've long held the opinion that anyone who can write about a genius so well *is* a genius. Some of the stuff like the writing in spirals and being able to crack a safe in the Swiss Bank in Munich like Artemis does in Opal Deception never would have occured to me in my own writing. Plus, Captain Holly Short is just the coolest character ever. Who can not love a gun-toting, butt-kicking, three-foot-tall elf?

Harry Potter is just fun to read. The characters remind me of my friends, the books make me laugh and the story is just getting better and better. Rowling is a genius, even if not in the same way Eoin Colfer is.

I enjoyed Eragon (Saphira was arguably the reason why), but it left me with mixed feelings afterwards. Christopher Paolini took a story line that has been used over and over and re-wrote it. He didn't tweak it too much, but still ended up with a fairly good piece of work. The fact that Eragon went from a absurdly normal peasant boy to one of the best swordsmen in the land bugged me a little and his character was a bit hard to pin. To put it plainly, he was a borderline "Gary-stu" as we call them in fanfiction underworld - Almost too perfect. He was still interesting though and near the end, he fell into place.

I had to laugh when Arya was introduced though later on in Eragon though. Doesn't any sword-swinging hero need a sexy, dangerous elfin ally?



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   09-05-2005, 2:09 AM
durza

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Re: Harry Potter, Artimus Fowl, Eragon, Lord of the Rings

 swimmer337 wrote:
There all so good, I don't know which one to post about. Where one fails, the others easily fill in.

same here with me my screen name is durza but i have to say that eragon is better than lord of the ringsSmile [:)].

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   09-06-2005, 8:24 PM
lilypad

Joined on 12-05-2003
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Re: Harry Potter, Artimus Fowl, Eragon, Lord of the Rings

Tereholt, Rosarium: I too teethed on Narnia!  A little of L'Engle, a little of this, a little of that.

Perhaps I don't belong in this thread--all the previous posts have been glowing.
     I've tried quite a few spec fic writers, most of whom were mediocre, and have found sound favorites in McKillip and Pratchett and several others.  Harry, Artimus, Eragon, and/or Lord of-- come even close.  They're good only for fledgling readers.

     Harry Potter is an engaging series, but it is not one of the best, and too much fuss is raised over it.  It does not go beyond engaging; it is shallow; the characters are cute, but look suspiciously like cardboard.  The plot was borrowed from Yolen.

     The first Artimus was the only one worth the while.  Again, with a bow to The Aspiring Youth (wonderful nomen), this and Potter wear thin easily.

     I read Eragon long after any of the others, and after I developed a taste in literature.  I may not be qualified to comment; I abandoned it after a few pages.  Those first chapters were atrociously written, with a battered, bleached plot and stale characters, and I didn't think it was worth the time.  Like Harry, overhyped, but worse than Harry.  Someone should stuff those trumpets.

    Ah, Lord of the Rings.  This might just get me skinned alive.
     I read the Hobbit on my own and the Fellowship when encouraged by a friend, and I didn't enjoy either.  They was slightly stilted and very boring.  The songs and poems were laborous, and the plot and the characters were sluggish.  I do give him a nod for his influence on McKillip in her early works, but that is all.

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   09-09-2005, 11:49 AM
Andreya


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Re: RE: Harry Potter, Artimus Fowl, Eragon, Lord of the Rings

HP #6 was horrible, yeah;)) Or so has been said all around, so I didn't buy it, and waited to get it at the library.

I enjoyed all HPs so far (some more, some less, but it's an engaging story, nevertheless;)) - I'm sure many authors get neglected and I wish I knew more, but my library just doesn't have many fantasy books except the 'real (global) hits'.

The last book seemed, well, unedited. It could easily be cut for at least a 1/3 and I had a sneaky suspicion at this point of her career, nobody dared tell Ms Rowling to cut unnecessary sentences and keep it sharp and up to the point.

Yes, I was disappointed with Snape's obvious betrayal, too. But even more disappointed with the fact I was actually able to put the book down and didn't have the 'fever' to get back to it, like, immediately.

The teenage 'love' relationships seemed strained, it seemed.. awkward.. Surely, adolescents are awkward, but it was just... too much!! Why would Harry be put to all these pains regarding Ron's approval?? Earlier in the series Ron expressed anger at Ginny for not liking H. anymore!! And why would he let go of Ginny while keepin' Ron and Hermione around. Surely she's proved her strength in combat against evil (and qwiddich;)) since her earlier days. And the last sentence - he thinks just about Ron and Hermione, not thinking one bit of Ginny after all the long pages of whining how he's been in love with her?? It's just inconsistent, sorry. Maybe to oblige the fans sighing after H-Hermy relationship. I also wanted to hear more of the Grawp.

Still, it's a good book, heavily edited might be great!!

Otherwise, it's always been a reverent frenzy to read these books before my sister stole them from me, and everybody in the house would respectfully let the one reading to immerse into the magic world - there was a silent pact to not nag with other 'irrelevant' worldly things;)) Ha ha;))

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   09-12-2005, 3:34 PM
Jamesritchie

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Re: RE: Harry Potter, Artimus Fowl, Eragon, Lord of the Rings
It's interesting how tastes differ.  I thought Eragon was just horribly written.  It didn't take me many pages to wish I'd never picked it up.  But others seem to enjoy it greatly.   Something for everyone, I guess.
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   09-12-2005, 3:40 PM
Jamesritchie

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Re: Harry Potter, Artimus Fowl, Eragon, Lord of the Rings

Ovrall, I think Tolkien is as good as it gets.  The LOTR books are simply wonderful beyond words.  C.S. Lewis is a very close second.

But I also think the Harry Potter books are incredible.  All of them. 

I'm lukewarm on Artimus Fowl, and I honestly think Eragon is one of the most derivative and badly written published novels I've yet read.  I think you need an insatiable appetite for fantasy fiction to get through this one.  Just bad in every conceivable way, except one.  It has a good story, and this is enough for many readers..

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   12-11-2005, 12:54 AM
writerlouise

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Artemis Fowl
doesn't EVERYONE borrow from Lord of the Rings? It's like the fantasy writer's guidebook. I highly suggest Artemis Fowl. Highly-highly. I've never seen an author so cleverly and seamlessly make the antagonist the protagonist and do it with such wit and depth at the same time. Read it. If you like YA fantasy, you'll buy all three books.

~audrey~
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   12-14-2005, 9:58 PM
squab

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Re: Harry Potter, Artimus Fowl, Eragon, Lord of the Rings

Forget Artemis and that silly Eragon thing.  Potter and Rings are the only real competition here--although I'm not sure it's fair to compare Harry Potter with Lord of the Rings.  I''ll give it a go. 

While Tokien says the thing is for kids--its not.  The Hobbit was, to be sure--but these were kids a century, whose sensibilities were more than a little different.  Fact is, books just are not written llike Tolkien wrote anymore.  The style is alien, the sensibilities antiquated, and the substance difficult to penetrate.  Nevertheless, Rings is the greatest masterpiece the genre has seen.  Read it aloud and you see what poetry the whole thing is, its rhythm alone an amazing achievement by itself.  The novel is paced excellently, and structured oddly--but the story is enormously complex and so constructed on fictional history and multi-dimensional realities that it moves so far beyond anything yet written in terms of fantasy literature, inasfar as setting is concerned.  He works with profound themes, and his premise is as grand as the art of the thing itself.  Its a story about death.  On the other hand, of course, is the fact that his characters are weak, less than tridimensional things who have trouble evolving, changing, and being dramatic creatures.  Saruman, Galadriel, Arwen, Gimli, all of them--with the exception of Frodo, Sam, Pippin and Gandalf--are dreadfully underdeveloped, one-dimensional things that serve the plot and the sensory appreciation of Middle Earth before anything else.  This, in the long run, makes Rings a far lesser thing than it might have been.

Harry Potter on the other hand is structured ingeniously--more modernly, naturally, and with immense care and complexity--and most important of all, it is driven by characters and characters alone, which makes the story itself stronger, and its substance deeper.  Rowling's characters are not flat or cardboard things--these kids, and the adults around them, are full of contradictions, reservations, foibles, insecurities, points of view and odd particularities.  Even the wicked Voldemort is emerging as a multidimensional creature; we are understanding why he is the way he is, especially in lieu of Blood Prince.  (Which, while not the best novel, was my favorite, beating out Azkaban for that position; in this last novel, Rowling brings a great deal to an emotional and dramatic head, and all of it is purely character-driven, the direct result of action and reaction and we understand the motivations for some--certainly not all--of the actions.  This is the backbone of truly great drama.  I'm also not convinced we can consider Harry Potter a "series" anymore--it is coalescing to become one massive set of character arches.)  Can you really predict what Rowling's characters are going to do?  No.  Can you predict what the Fellowship would do?  Well, of course--although, one can argue that that doesn't mean much.   

Tokien shows us a world--takes us from place to place, says, Look and see what I have built, and shows another reality to contemplate and an elaborately masked statement about human nature.  Sometimes, I wonder if Rings is more a poem than a novel.  We know where Tolkien came from, after all.

Potter is a novel.  A big novel.  Rowling gives us characters, and these characters evolve through relationships and as they act and react.  The enormity and complexity of the plot she has structured is far more meaningful, and far more important, than the world she creates, which is a pale shade of Tolkien's whole universes.  Potter is not about another world, another place to show the reader, or an amazing fantastic history.  Potter shows us meaning about many things--and gives many subtly veiled lessons to kids receptive to them--but I really dont know what Rowling means precisely to say to her audience quite yet.  Potter IS about characters; Rings is not.  And so, ultimately, Potter is a better novel. 

Just not quite as cool.

 

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   02-04-2006, 1:54 PM
lmurph524

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The disappointment of HP #6 will go away as soon as 7 is published. Then everything will make sense. I also love The Bartimeaus Triolgy. Libba Bray has twon great books (hopefull the third will be on the way) A great and Terrible Beauty and Rebel Angels. I also enjoy Tamora Pierce;s novels.
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   02-13-2006, 10:51 AM
Derwhit554

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Re: RE: Harry Potter, Artimus Fowl, Eragon, Lord of the Rings

 samb191 wrote:
I've read all four and have to say the Harry Potter series is my favourite so far, purely for Rowling's talent in story telling and her extensive imagination (although the fifth book was somewhat disappointing). I wish I could jump into her brain for a day or two!

I didn't enjoy Eragon as I felt it was far too predictable, and the writing annoyed me greatly. I'm unlikely to read the next two books in this trilogy.

As for Artemis Fowl, I found it immensely difficult to get into mainly because I didn’t like any of the characters, so after the first two books, I gave up. It is a highly original idea though.

Lord of the Rings...I managed to read the first one but I found the endless pages of description to be quite detrimental to my attention span! I much prefer watching the films.

I would have to say they are all good. Harry Potter is one of my all time favorites. I LOVE artemis Fowl, I liked Eragon, but thought Eldest was really dissappointing. I've never read LOTR because I thought they were very hard to get into. But, all the others I give two thumbs up!!!

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   07-13-2006, 11:26 AM
Selton_5

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Eragon! comeon eragon blows all the others away without a doubt, the dragon! omygod are you kidding me there's a dragon. dragons rule...sapphira is da bomb!

 

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   07-25-2006, 12:38 PM
KokoroKanashii

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has anyone heard of the new Elizabeth Haydon book The Floating Island? i just finished it and its fabulous! if youre interested reply or pm me!
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   01-03-2007, 12:05 AM
riversong

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Re: Harry Potter, Artimus Fowl, Eragon, Lord of the Rings

I agree that the only real competition out of these four is HP and LOTR. I don't know about the Fowl series, and Eragon had a fun storyline, but HP and LOTR have depth and reflect on  very human themes. LOTR did have more symbolism and so much detail as to sidetrack the mind, not to mention the older style of writing, but three cheers to JK Rowling for incorporating so much mythology from our own history. She didn't have to invent it. She called upon the fantastic and out-of-this-world from our past, both great and small, to enrich a great story. HP is culturally literate series if ever there was one.

Just out of curiosity, has anyone here read the Death Gate Cycle, consisting of 7 books, by Margaret Weis and Tracy Hickman? If you want a detailed world, or to feel safe in the almighty authority of a writer, these are the books to read. They are my ABSOLUTE favorite (although HP and LOTR are close behind). 

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   05-03-2007, 8:09 PM
little.holmes

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Have you read The Silmarion(bad spelling)? You should definitly read it if you're a fan of LotR because it explains the First Age and The second Age.
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